BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! [UPDATEDX2 with new NC polls]

by zane, Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:27:24 PM EST

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Appearing onstage with Clinton and his wife, Mary, the two-term Democrat declared the New York senator "gets it." "It's time for somebody to be in the White House who understands the challenges we face in this country," Easley said, adding a gentle dig at rival Barack Obama's signature slogan of hope. "There's been lots of 'Yes we can, yes we should.' Hillary Clinton is ready to deliver," Easley said. Easley is term-limited and will leave office early next year. Both Democrats vying for the party's nomination to replace him have endorsed Obama, whom polls show with a substantial lead over Clinton in the state. Clinton, in turn, praised Easley as a champion of economic development in his state. "The governor and I have something in common -- we think results matter," Clinton said.

http://www.wsoctv.com/politics/16056138/detail.html

Watch the Video on the site if you can, its a very enthusiastic endorsement.

Today brings a NEW RASSMUSSEN Poll showing a 9 Point swing to Clinton

Rasmussen had Obama with a 23% lead but he is down to 14% as of today.

ARG had Obama with a 11% lead but he is down to 10% as of today.

PPP( this polling company is based in north carolina)had Obama with a 25% lead but he is down to 12% as of today.

SurveyUSA has not changed much.....

02-12-08: Obama: 50%....10% lead Clinton: 40%

03-11-08: Obama: 49%....8% lead Clinton: 41%

04-08-08: Obama: 49%....10% lead Clinton: 39%

04-22-08: Obama: 50%....9% lead Clinton: 41%

i made this for HRC, She needs to continue there is too much at stake, we need a fighter.




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We'll see (2.00 / 2)


  what happens. Endorsements didn't help Clinton in other states...and didn't help Obama in places like MA.

 We'll see what happens.


by southernman on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:29:24 PM EST

Re: We'll see (none / 0)

Was that what the Obama clique was saying after he got the Richardson endorsement? I don't think so. I seem to remember them crowing about it for weeks.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:45:23 PM EST
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Re: We'll see (none / 0)


   Not me. The only mention I made of the Richardson endorsement was to point out the lunacy of James Carville calling him a Judas.

  That was a silly comment. Other than that, I treated that news with all the attention it deserved...none.

  The only endorsements that would merit serious attention right now are John and Elizabeth Edwards and Al Gore. That's it.


by southernman on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:58:31 PM EST
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Re: We'll see (none / 0)

Rendell didn't help in PA, Strickland in OH??


by steveinohio on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:03:18 PM EST
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Re: We'll see (none / 0)

Considering that Obama cut Clinton's lead in half in both, I think not.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:53:51 PM EST
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Re: We'll see (none / 0)

You are paroting Obama capmaign talking poits. So you think Obama is a genius to spend 11 million dollars in a single state simply to cut Hillary's lead in half but definitely not to win. Do you see how foolish it sounds?


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:43:48 PM EST
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Re: We'll see (2.00 / 0)

No, not in a proportional delegate allocation system. Failing to understand that simple fact is why Hillary Clinton is in such a hole with delegates.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:34:44 PM EST
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Re: We'll see (2.00 / 0)


   I think the mayor endorsements were worth more than Rendell's. Over 100 mayors, including Philly and Pitt...if I were running, I'd take that over Rendell's any day.

  Vilsack in IA did nothing...Clinton finished 3rd.

  Kennedy and Kerry did nothing for Obama in MA.

  I'm just saying endorsements are a mixed bag, so let's wait and see what happens.


by southernman on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:57:08 PM EST
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Re: We'll see (none / 0)

Vilsac is former governor. In Iowa Obama had Governors's proxy endorsemnent through his wife. Don't try ro rewrite history.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:46:46 PM EST
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Re: We'll see (2.00 / 0)

You neither, Mari Culver endorsed Edwards for the Iowa Caucus, it wasn't till much later- after Edwards dropped out - that she and he endorsed Obama.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:41:00 PM EST
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Re: We'll see (none / 0)

Obama got the endorsement of senators from MA. Senators can't deliver a get-out-the-vote machine like governors do.

Hillary is going after NC and if she succeeds there and wins IN, she becomes the front-runner.


by mmorang on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:14:49 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 6)

Heres to SIngle digits in NC!


by zane on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:30:41 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 2)

Single digits or EVEN TIE?


by wasanyonehurt on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:41:16 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 1)

Clinton will win NC by five points, at least.


by BlueinColorado on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:57:02 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

No way, Clinton will win by 150%!


by Skaje on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:45:06 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

Ah, no. Clinton will have to win 80% of the white vote to win by 5 points in NC, if the AA breakdown is 9:1 for Obama. If whites vote for Clinton like in PA, about 63%, she still gets beat by about 12-14 points. If she wins whites with 70%, like in Mississippi, she will lose by 4-6 points. A win in my opinion.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:56:54 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

You're overestimating the AA turnout.  They along with young voters would be increasingly demoralized and won't turn out in the numbers needed by Obama.

On the contrary the energy and enthusiasm of the Clinton white-rural/latino/asian voters is high and gaining momentum.  Turnout will be huge.


by wasanyonehurt on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:03:22 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

What are you basing your 'increasingly demoralized' comments on? I think turnout will be high on all sides. I still think Obama will win by 13%, with an error on the higher side. I don't think the guv's endorsement will matter THAT much.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:29:26 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

Dream on, wasanyouhurt, you're delusional.  You think that an endorsement demoralizes blacks and young people?  Causing them to just say "screw it" and not vote?  That B.S.  

And for your information, this Asian in Oregon is certainly not voting for Hillary come May.    


by froggyman on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:52:34 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

Nothing could be better for the deomcratic party than increasingly demoralized young and AA voters!

Wait, that doesn't sound right, hmm... yeah go ahead and replace Democratic Party in my sentence with GOP, and it should be okay.


by Socraticsilence on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:01:23 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

Isn't it something that we now assume 90% AAs vote for Obama.  I wonder what that means.  (It is harder and harder to be a true liberal Democrat in this race, methinks.)


by christinep on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:29:27 PM EST
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Screw single digits... (2.00 / 4)

I smell a WIN.

C'mon John and Elizabeth...you know you wanna....


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:44:30 PM EST
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Re: Screw single digits... (2.00 / 2)

An Edwards endorsement, maybe even two?  It may be closer than we think.  Elizabeth has all but endorsed Clinton already based on her healthcare plan alone.  I would love to see that, if only to see the reactions of those Kossack folks that have supposedly had nothing but undying love and devotion for the Edwardses.  Just watch how quickly supposedly respectful Obamabots turn on them if they do not support the "correct" candidate.


No politician ever lost an election because he underestimated the intelligence of the American public. - PT Barnum, paraphrased...
by jarhead5536 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:07:58 PM EST
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Re: Screw single digits... (1.00 / 0)

Wait a minute, are you saying that the Obamabots are just a bunch of unprincipled opportunists? And, here, I always thought they were glorious idealists, who believe in some kind of higher politics and dedicated to changing something.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:50:53 PM EST
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Re: Screw single digits... (none / 0)

No, most of us "Obamabots" are true progressive democrats who believe in our candidate, much as you believe in yours.  I personally have enough sense in my head to know that it is in the country's best interests to vote for Hillary even if she flat out steals this nomination (which seems to be her only realistic way of coming away with it), than it would be to vote for McCain.  The Supreme Court is more important than my hurt feelings.

Screw you for referring to those of us who support another candidate as "unprincipled opportunists," especially when your candidate has no problem taking gobs of money from special interests, and has more of an interest in promoting herself (either in '08 or '12) than she does in nominating whomever rightly wins the Democratic nomination this time around.

If you want to see an "unprincipled opportunist" you need look no further than the candidate so many on this blog unabashedly support, regardless of the end result come January 2009.


by doschi on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:54:10 AM EST
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Re: Screw single digits... (none / 0)

You said it!


by handsomegent on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:38:45 PM EST
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Re: Screw single digits... (2.00 / 0)

Hold on... I am actually a Kossack and Edwards supporter. I will never turn on the Edwards and would follow them over Hillary or Barack. We wasted our best candidate.


by RDemocrat on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:09:41 PM EST
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Fanta! Fanta! (none / 0)


by optimusprime on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:59:14 PM EST
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She's Pretty Much Got it Sewn Up (none / 0)


by edmandspath on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:52:21 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 3)

Wow.  This is huge news!  Gov. Easley is a very popular governor.  This gives Hillary a shot!  Maybe now if Elizabeth Edwards would come out as well.  Hillary can win this thing!


by karajan72 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:33:45 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 6)

Those who think Obama has it in the bag better think twice.

If he had it in the bag I don't think the NC gov. would risk his political career in a state that is a sure thing as Obama and his allies would like us to think.

By the way the internals of the AP poll shows independents moving to Clinton in great numbers .


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:34:30 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

This is his last year as governor....


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:31:09 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

heh, "risk his political career".

Funny.


by Slim Tyranny on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:36:11 PM EST
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Wow (2.00 / 2)

NC has a democratic governor ?

The land of tobacco and Jesse Helms itself !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:34:51 PM EST

Re: Wow (none / 0)

Funny! That's what I was thinking when I heard this.


by sunnyaz08 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:29:21 PM EST
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Re: Wow (none / 0)

What's the big mystery? Kansas, Oklahoma, and Wyoming all have democratic governors, and that's a lot more amazing.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:53:15 PM EST
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They dont have Jesse Helms... (none / 0)

or tobacco.

All they have is...Dorothy, Curly and Dick (Cheney)


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:04:58 PM EST
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haha (none / 0)

that was funny!


vote blue in 2008
by sepulvedaj3 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:36:55 PM EST
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Re: Wow (none / 0)

Funny.

I thought all those states that usually vote Red in presidential elections didn't matter.

You mean they have Democrats in NC, KS, WY, OK, etc.?

Maybe, just MAYBE, we should CAMPAIGN THERE!!!

Hmm, I can think of two people (their names rhyme with "Bean" and "Whoa Mama") who have been saying this all along.

Why do Hillary supporters care about North Carolina?  I mean, isn't that one of those un-important "red states?"

I thought all we had to do was campaign in the states we won in the last two elections.  I mean, it's worked so well for us lately...


by doschi on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 03:59:19 AM EST
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Here in NC.... (none / 0)

Just a word from someone who actually lives there.  Easley is a moderate democrat, pretty no-nonsense - I believe he was a prosecutor.  Has a strong rural base.  And NC will go red in the general - no matter who is the dem nominee.  Bank on it.  And for your snarky question as to why Hillary would campaign in a redstate...well I guess I could ask why BO bothers to spend millions in blue states that he won't win in the general.  I think the NC governor endorsement has touched the fragile nerves of Obamacans...Us Hillary-ites have stronger nerves...like her I guess.


by emmasaint on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:39:18 PM EST
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OH! GREAT NEWS!!! (2.00 / 5)


DEMOCRATIC 08!
by rigsoHC on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:35:49 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 3)

WHOO HOO!!!!


by American1989 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:36:29 PM EST

Amen! (2.00 / 4)


99% perspiration
by DaveOinSF on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:37:24 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 4)

awesome.


TexasDarlin blog
by TexasDarlin on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:37:26 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 1)

ditto!!!!!!!!


"Me Fail English? That's Unpossible." Ralph Wiggum
by canadian gal on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:03:44 PM EST
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She can win NC and not catch (2.00 / 1)

up in delegates...


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:39:17 PM EST

Re: She can win NC and not catch (none / 0)

If Obama didn't win NC he'd be in dire trouble. I think he's going to win it because it would take an earthquake for him to lose.


by ottovbvs on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:43:34 PM EST
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Trouble? (2.00 / 1)

Not mathematically.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:51:08 PM EST
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Re: Trouble? (none / 0)

Super delegates would move away in droves if Sen obama does not win NC. I just do not see how he would lose in a state with about 40% African American Democratic electorate.


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:06:55 PM EST
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Re: Trouble? (none / 0)

That's while Easley's move is significant.  
Easley always ran strongly with blacks.  

Lower AA enthusiasm from Easley's endorsement means they won't turnout in the numbers that Obama will need.


by wasanyonehurt on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:14:37 PM EST
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Re: Trouble? (none / 0)

You think this well shift the AA vote in some meaningful way?


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:27:18 PM EST
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Re: Trouble? (none / 0)

I seriously, seriously doubt it.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:30:55 PM EST
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Re: Trouble? (none / 0)

* will  shift.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:32:37 PM EST
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Re: Trouble? (none / 0)

I don't think he'd lose but he doesn't need very many SDs to wrap this up.


John McCain on social security.
by heresjohnny on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:26:34 PM EST
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Re: Trouble? (none / 0)

Math is not life...and, I hate to tell you, math is definitely not politics.


by christinep on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:33:02 PM EST
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Earthquake (2.00 / 1)

..rrrummble... an Earthquake a comin'


by wasanyonehurt on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:51:16 PM EST
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Re: Earthquake (none / 0)

Hillary's going to win NC!


by Mostly on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:37:05 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 2)

Three people can help Hillary big time in NC:
1. Mike Easley

2. Elizabeth Edwards

3. Andy Griffith

The democratic vote will follow suit.

Another person would have been Dean Smith but even though he is stalwart of progressive politics in NC he refuses to be in the limelight.


by tarheel74 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:40:16 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 1)

Absolutely, I would love Elizabeth Edwards endorsement, but time is running out.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:45:47 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

short of an outright endorsement even she campaigns on behalf of her healthcare policy it will be a very big deal. She is definitely more liked than her husband.


by tarheel74 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:58:22 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 1)

Tarheel74 even though I disagree with you on everything I had to laugh at what you said about Dean Smith.

If you're anything like me, you've spent election after election hoping he'd endorse someone but knowing he never does.


by Mostly on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:43:13 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

I've seen quite a few Obama fans predicting Easely was going to endorse him so I'm going to wait until it's official. If he does endorse her with some of the stuff that's been going on over the past few days it could have an impact on the outcome.


by ottovbvs on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:41:30 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 1)

Really? I don't recall anyone saying that?


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:15:35 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 1)

I think this is great news for Clinton, and a tit-for-tat for Bingaman. However, I don't think endorsements really matter in the end, unless you have a machine that backs up the endorsement. This is a big get and a nice way to counter Bingaman (also a big get).


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:42:06 PM EST

he has to have a machine to be a dem gov (none / 0)

in a red state.  I don't know but .... he must.


by Molee on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:56:07 PM EST
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Re: he has to have a machine to be a dem gov (none / 0)

NC has had a Democratic Governor for 22 of the last 30 years.


Senator Obama will be formally nominated on August 28, 2008 - the 45th Anniversary of Dr. King's "I Have A Dream Speech."
by brimur on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:55:57 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

I'm surprised. I would have sworn he would have endorsed Obama, if not before, but after Obama won the state. I could only hope that NC stays in the single digits. That and a win in Indiana will be much needed momentum.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:44:15 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 1)

We shall see if it helps - If nothing else, Hillary proved that mayors and local political operatives can get things done on the ground level - at times more so than higher level officials.  As an Obama supporter, if he doesn't win by double digits, it will be disappointing.  However, if Hillary doesn't take 70% of the remaining delegates, it's fatal.  I wish you guys good luck.


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:44:46 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

Nice rhetoric for saying Obama is finished!


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:46:38 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 1)

Are you literate? I not entierly being facetitous here, given what the commenter wrote, how can person with even a basica understadnign of english come ot the conclusion that you came to?


by Socraticsilence on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:04:07 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 1)

Um because the glorious HRC Rose Colored Glasses allow him to see whatever he wants to see...


Congratulations Steny Hoyer! Our 2008 Chickenshit Leader Of The Year!
by RockvilleLiberal2 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:16:49 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 8)

GREAT GREAT NEWS. THE WRIGHT COMMENTS ARE KILLING OBAMA, AMONG OTHER THINGS. Looks like Obama convincing win is no longer convincing in NC. Looks like a big win for Hillary in Indiana, which will be the beginning of the end for the Obama campaign. Congratulations Hillary.


Steven Shaman Publisher Skywatch-Media News
by steve468 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:45:04 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 2)

Why was this troll rated?! Mojo'd for being furious at people for using troll ratings as a way to state disagreement. If you troll rated this, why did you do so?


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:02:43 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

Wait....first you said New Hampshire was the beginning of the end of Obama, then you said Rezko was the beginning of the end, and then it was Wright, then it was Texas, and then it was Ohio and last week you said it was Pennsylvania, and now it's NC and Indiana...I'm confused.


Obama supporter who is damn glad Hillary Clinton is a Democrat!!
by hootie4170 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:36:05 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 0)

I'm for Obama, but I have to say, I love watching the nutzos over on DKos flip out over this and tear down a good Governor and call him a racist and walk around dumbfounded. It's gratifying, it really is.

More realistically, I'm not happy he supported Hillary, I'm an Obama supporter. I'm not happy about what's happening to him. He doesn't deserve it, even if the fantatics over on DKos do. I hope he doesn't lose North Carolina, because if he does, I'm going to call on him to drop out and shed a few tears and focus on Congress because even though I'll vote for her and have no quams about it, I don't think Hillary can beat McCain.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:48:11 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 4)

"I don't think Hillary can beat McCain."

Please do not underestimate her supporters, we are profoundly devoted to her. This is very personal to many of us. And do not underestimate her abilities as a candidate - with Mark Penn finally out of her way she is blossoming into the candidate we always have known her to be, and she is far more potent and moving than her earlier campaign was able to convey. Now she is stepping forward, and voters are responding to who she really is. That is actually the most important positive development that is changing the dynamics of this race, not the negatives that are befalling Barack Obama. If Senator Clinton were not out there running her own positive campaign without the interference of Penn, there would be no movement in the race. He miht move down a little, but she would not be improving in the polls the way she is now.

I predict this election will go far better than anyone anticipates right now, and soon we will have our first women president, who will be one of the smartest and most effective leaders our country has ever enjoyed. Start looking forward to a better economy and a return to honorable standing in the world!


by 07rescue on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:17:51 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

I know you do, but lets face it, the freaks on the other side of the party will do everything and anything to see her defeated...and I'm not so sure blacks will turn out for her.

I'm not happy about it just as I'm not happy about those who want to vote McCain over Obama if Hillary doesn't get the nomination, but that's the way it is.

I can't see any way she can win if half the party is out to bring her down and i can't see how he wins similarly.

What does she do? Put Obama on the ticket? Campaign in Detroit and Atlanta? I dunno.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:31:30 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

If Clinton is nominated in June, African-Americans would come out for Clinton in November. Obama will have to urge his supporters to vote for Clinton.


Restore America's Strength.
by RJEvans on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:34:34 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

you really think he will? and you really think they'll listen?

I doubt it. Only Republicans are more selfish than Democrats.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:37:54 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

It's as plain as the nose on your face.  Clinton/Obama '08.


by handsomegent on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:41:23 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

you really think Democrats won't cut off their nose to spite their face? Do you remember 2000?

When you hear stuff like this;

"if Obama is finished, I will do everything possable to help McCain win and we can start all over."

it doesn't exactly inspire confidence.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:00:56 PM EST
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There are no "sides" in the D party (none / 0)

We all have the same goals.


by activatedbybush on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:03:53 PM EST
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Re: There are no "sides" in the D party (none / 0)

Remind them of that. It seems their goals have become...destroy the Clintons even if it means electing McCain.

We've forgotten our goals.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:45:58 PM EST
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Re: There are no "sides" in the D party (none / 0)

The only goal of the Obama supporters is to destroy the Clintons. It's more important to them than actually winning an election.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:16:31 PM EST
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Re: There are no "sides" in the D party (none / 0)

Not to this Obama supporter

and the same can be said for some Clinton supporters too.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 11:31:10 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

So we Obama supporters are "the freaks on the other side of the party?"

I have said many times that despite my disdain for HRC that I will vote for her over McCain in a heartbeat.

It's comments like this referring to me and my fellow Obama supporters as "freaks," that will make me consider staying home if Hillary is the nominee in November.


by doschi on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 04:06:32 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

no, not all of you...I'm one of them too.


The American people; they were for the war before they were against it.
by nrafter530 on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 07:04:17 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

That goes both ways.


by handsomegent on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 10:01:26 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

Please do not underestimate her supporters, we are profoundly devoted to her. This is very personal to many of us.

As devoted as you may be, as personal as this may be for you, your vote counts for as much as anyone else's. There is no extra weight given for intensity.

Her negatives are over fifty per cent, and that's with McCain going after Obama for the last month.


by BlueinColorado on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:39:31 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

"There is no extra weight given for intensity."

Wrong. Intensity of support does count for tremendous movement in a race. That intensity moves voters, moves the press, moves superdelegates, and endorsements by electeds when the intense supporters contact them over and over to urge their support for her. Intensity of support is exactly what wins elections, and has sustained her campaign through a string of bad times. We are on the other side now, and Obama's negatives are being revealed, so the swing toward Clinton is formidable.


by 07rescue on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:28:08 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

Intensity only counts in caucuses.


by Mostly on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:44:59 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 1)

Intimidation only counts in caucuses.


by 07rescue on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:55:07 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

Good lord.


by BlueinColorado on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:58:48 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 1)

Earth to BlueinColorado, Hillary had very high negatives in PA and whooped Obama in spite of being heavily outspent there. She also beats McCain there.

She is beating McCain nationally by 9 points as of today. I know many Republicans who are ok with her and some who would actually vote for her.

She will be a tough opponent for McCain. She will be favored. She will have to pick Obama or the MA governor as her running-mate if Obama doesn't want the job.


by mmorang on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:51:44 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

The negative poll numbers include Independents and Republicans as well, not just Democrats.

Since those people weren't involved in the PA primary you can make no correlation between her negatives in PA and her primary support in PA. It's two different data sets.

What is reality, is that there are a lot of people who would wait in a line for a week to get the chance to vote against Hillary.


by PSUdan on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 07:55:07 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

I SERIOUSLY doubt anyone would stand in line for a week to vote FOR or AGAINST anyone. But please if you can show this, do so.


"If we can't live together... we're going to die alone."
by VAAlex on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 11:40:43 AM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

"What is reality, is that there are a lot of people who would wait in a line for a week to get the chance to vote against Hillary".

Yes, and they are outnumbered by the people who would wait in line to vote for her.

The polls show her beating McCain overall and in key swing states. She does significantly better than Obama.

The fact is Republicans don't hate her like they used to, not enough to go to the polls. She would win the presidency.


by mmorang on Wed Apr 30, 2008 at 03:20:38 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

Ah, but you know the phrase: Yes, she can.  Have faith.


by christinep on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 09:36:01 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 2)

Wonderful!


2004 swing state margins: PA-2%, OH-2%, IA-1%, WI-0.5%, MI-3%, FL-5%, NM-1%; Alienating 50% of the party is a luxury we can't afford.
by BPK80 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:48:56 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 2)

FANTASTIC!

c'mon Elizabeth!!!! We're waiting for you! Just do it!


by Misty Mountain Maggie on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:54:28 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (none / 0)

Drip. Drip. Drip.

I just had to do it ;)


by mikes101 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:54:35 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! (2.00 / 3)

actually it is a big deal. it means she has a fighting chance in NC


Welcome to a Landslide without white Working class, Latinos, Women, Seniors and holding-on sweeties
by engels on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:54:49 PM EST

Excellent!!! (2.00 / 2)

makes my heart flutter!!


by nikkid on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 05:59:28 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! [UPDATE]! (2.00 / 1)

Its a really surprising endorsement .

It might mean he recognizes Obama is becoming toxic in the heartland .

Local republicans are absolutely giddy about running against Obama in Tennessee ever since Wrigth broke , I suspect he could be reading the mood in North Carolina .

Who knows.

It is surely a surprising development.


Educated in a small town Taught to fear Jesus in a small town Used to daydream in that small town Another born romantic that's me.
by lori on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:00:26 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! [UPDATE]! (2.00 / 1)

I never read anywhere that he would endorse Obama so I don't find it surprising.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:16:50 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! [UPDATE]! (none / 0)

I'm pretty sure you're thinking of Heath Shuler, who would have been party of the "entire NC delegation" that a rogue Obama supporter claimed earlier this month.

If Mike Easley was going to endorse anyone, it would have been Clinton.  Any rumors that he was poised to endorse Obama would have sent shockwaves - it would be like picking up Diane Feinstein.


by Mostly on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:02:03 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! [UPDATE]! (2.00 / 6)

Congrats, Clinton supporters. That's a good endorsement for your candidate.


We care about politics because we know politics matters for people's lives and opportunities.
by politicsmatters on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:00:50 PM EST

Awesome video. Do another one? (2.00 / 1)

Great video.  You should do one with that song Tubthumping...'I get knocked down but I get up Again..."

I think that fits Hillary best.

The governor is a big endorsement if only for symbolic reasons.


by MidwestTracker on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:03:09 PM EST

Re: Awesome video. Do another one? (2.00 / 1)

I also like that song, also Im a survivor by destinies child, also the song they are playing at her rallies now Tom Petty Wont Back Down

if you look through my other youtube videos i have two othe hill vids i made.


by zane on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:06:20 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! [UPDATE]! (none / 0)

Cerainly raises the stakes in NC, I mean if Hillary can't win with this endorsement (or at least keep it to around 5) you have to wonder if she can win significant African-American support in November-- if this is a result around the PA level then it cancels it out, push it to either side, then it would be crucial for one or the other.


by Socraticsilence on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:07:12 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! [UPDATE]! (2.00 / 2)

The only thing coming out of my mouth is, WWWOOOOOOOHOOOOOOOOOO!


by LindaSFNM on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:07:19 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! [UPDATE]! (2.00 / 1)

rec list! thanks all.

Am happy for our Hill.


by zane on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:15:46 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor (2.00 / 1)

I generally think that endorsements don't have too much of an impact.  However, they certainly didn't hurt Hillary in OH and PA.

Does Easley have a high approval rating?  


by mjc888 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:17:38 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor (none / 0)

Ehhhhhh......

He's esteemed because he's a Democratic governor in a red state. Not popular with the rank-and-file but respected; he's somewhere between Bill Nelson and Claire McCaskill - they may not like him but they're glad to have him.


by Mostly on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:59:59 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor (none / 0)

He is easily the most popular political figure in North Carolina.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:00:49 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! [UPDATE]! (none / 0)

AWESOME endorsement, on top of the fact that he's a SD. I'm feeling a big upset brewing!


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
by zcflint05 on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:30:20 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! [UPDATE]! (2.00 / 0)

It certainly raises the stakes.

Now if she can't pull out a win in NC, what excuse does she have?


by Mostly on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:41:44 PM EST
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umm, a third of voters are A.A... (none / 0)


DEMOCRATIC 08!
by rigsoHC on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:53:13 PM EST
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I think that Senator Obama is still (none / 0)

heavily favored here.   But he'd better not lose here.   If he does, he might not win again.


by activatedbybush on Tue Apr 29, 2008 at 12:28:42 PM EST
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Nice grab for Hillary.... but..... (none / 0)

You gotta look at a few things.

This guy is not running for re-election, while the candidates who ARE running to replace him are endorsing Obama. In other words, the ones who have to face the voters must figure it's better to side with Obama than with Clinton.

Easley is considered a "conservative Democrat", which would mean that his endorsing Hillary shouldn't come as any surprise.

And he has publicly agreed with Clinton that there should be another debate... something Obama has resisted. Again, this should make it obvious who he'd support.

So overall, like I said this is of course good news for Clinton... but it in no way can be considered a surprise.


by ratmach on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:32:59 PM EST

Re: Nice grab for Hillary.... but..... (none / 0)

Right.  I was having a conversation with a member of my family the other day and she said something to effect of "what are we going to do about Easley?"  In other words is there any way to pressure him one way or the other.

It was a jolt for me because I thought he had already endorsed her.


by Mostly on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:55:25 PM EST
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Re: Nice grab for Hillary.... but..... (none / 0)

Yeah I know Obama supporters are never surprised by anything, and never suffer any defeats. They exist on a higher plain.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:02:39 PM EST
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Re: Nice grab for Hillary.... but..... (none / 0)

Not quite true. Cause I most certainly AM surprised that so many Hillary supporters still believe this is a "close" race. Obama basically won this thing when he ran off 12 in a row... now we're just watching it come to an (official) end in slooooowww motion.


by ratmach on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:17:28 PM EST
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Re: Nice grab for Hillary.... but..... (none / 0)

Yeah keep trying to convince yourself of that, maybe one day you will even succeed


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 08:13:16 PM EST
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Nice dodge (none / 0)

Now, did you ever for a moment think that he would endorse anyone else?


by Mostly on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 07:20:28 PM EST
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Re: Nice dodge (none / 0)

Yes I did, but in the end he made the correct choice.


Definition of a republican moderate---someone who want's only 50 years in Iraq.
by pollbuster on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 10:41:37 PM EST
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Re: BREAKING: NC Governor Endorses HRC! [UPDATE]! (none / 0)

Cool.  More DLC Democrats support Hillary.  Now, I want to support Hillary too....

http://www.dlc.org/ndol_ci.cfm?contentid =253914&kaid=104&subid=116


by zadura on Mon Apr 28, 2008 at 06:40:08 PM EST

Re: BREAKING: NC Governor (1.50 / 4)

Gotta love the Obama response..."well uhh, this doesn't matter...blah blah blah not a big get" when you know that if he endorsed Obama, they would be having a circle jerk about it.


Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008
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