Wow. McCain Camp Responds: But He Was a POW

TPM Election Central's Eric Kleefeld makes an interesting catch:

The McCain campaign is road-testing a new argument in responding to Obama's criticism of his number-of-houses gaffe, an approach the McCain camp has never tried before: The houses gaffe doesn't matter because ... he was a POW!

"This is a guy who lived in one house for five and a half years -- in prison," spokesman Brian Rogers told the Washington Post.

For those of you who haven't kept track, the McCain campaign just recently cited McCain's POW years in explaining away the Miss Buffalo Chip gaffe, and in dealing with the allegation that he broke the rules and listened in on Barack Obama during the Rick Warren forum.

Ben Smith, writing under the headline "The POW Card", says it seems to him that the McCain campaign is "flirting with Giuliani/9/11 territory here, in which at subject that seems utterly immune to humor, used as a first resort, suddenly becomes a running joke among your political enemies and your late night comic friends." Steve Benen writes, "A noun, a verb, and `prisoner of war'". Sam Stein writes about the McCain campaign trying to use the candidate's POW experience as "a political trump card."

Here's the thing: John McCain gave a great deal to his country, and no one -- including his campaign -- should diminish that. But by using McCain's POW experience to combat any legitimate criticism of his candidacy, the McCain campaign is belittling the commitment he made and the horrors he went through. And that's a real shame.



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Re: Wow. McCain Camp Responds: (2.00 / 1)

McCain could destroy this country, and it'd be ok because he's an ex-POW.  Same with Keating Five, affairs, voting for Bush over 95% of the time, etc.  It's a lifetime get out of jail free card.


by rfahey22 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:16:02 PM EST

You know, I've heard (none / 0)

McCain is very reluctant to talk about his experience of being a POW...

(snark)


"Once in a while you get shown the light In the strangest of places if you look at it right"
by molly bloom on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:55:45 PM EST
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I agree... (none / 0)

but isn't "get out of jail free card" a really bad metaphor in this instance?


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:23:09 PM EST
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Re: Wow. McCain Camp Responds: But He Was a POW (none / 0)

John McCain, of all people, should not be attacking Social Security.


by Ephus on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:18:27 PM EST

Re: Wow. (none / 0)

I like that:

the McCain campaign is "flirting with Giuliani/9/11 territory here, in which at subject that seems utterly immune to humor, used as a first resort, suddenly becomes a running joke among your political enemies and your late night comic friends.

We need to spread this wide and far.  No matter what McCain does, he will claim he is excused because he was a POW 35 years ago.  

A noun, verb, and POW!!


by TomP on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:22:22 PM EST

Re: Wow. (none / 0)

Given his temper, perhaps we should include periods to make it clear we're talking about "P.O.W."

It reads like his response would be a noun, verb and a right hook with associated Batman sound effect.


by TCQuad on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:44:59 PM EST
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he also used it for ABBA (2.00 / 1)

when asked why he likes ABBA, he invoked his time as POW.  


New Jersey politics and news
by John DE on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:11:10 PM EST
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Re: he also used it for ABBA (none / 0)

To be fair, it would take torture before I submit to listening to ABBA  (...too soon?)


by KLRinLA on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:53:55 PM EST
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More seriously, (2.00 / 2)

This has the ability to utterly destroy McCain even more than the house story.

Some people will accept that he's rich becasue of his wife's money, but many will utterly reject him if they feel he is trading off of his imprisonment 35 years ago.  It's dishonorable, like his cross in the dirt story.  

All POW, all the time.

Wesley Clark was right.


by TomP on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:24:36 PM EST

'Wesley Clark was right' (2.00 / 1)

yup


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:37:07 PM EST
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It's what killed Kerry (2.00 / 1)

Sample size and all, but my dad, 3 of my uncles, and a whole boatload of their friends served in Vietnam...

Thinking I had an opening amongst a bunch of guys who were basically 'Reagan Democrats' -- ethnic, blue collar Catholics, union members all -- and were voting Bush, I asked point blank about how they could cast their lot with a draft dodger (and none of them disputed that he was) rather than someone that actually served in Vietnam.

Boy did I get an earful.

They all found it very unseemly that Kerry was using his service as a shield.

Most vets I've spoken with really take umbrage with other vets that wear their service on their sleeves.  

I remember talking to my dad about his time in Vietnam... One particular incident stands - he got into it with a lieutenant (he was a sergeant, but was serving as an MP at the time) who was kicking a young, pregnant Vietnamese woman picking through the base's garbage dump and went so far as to grab the lieutenant by the collar and toss him down like rag doll (my father isn't a small man, by any stretch).   He started tearing up as he recounted the story -- "all she wanted was something to eat".

I said he was a hero for something like that...

He replied that if common human decency makes someone a hero, then the world is in really sad shape.

I think vets want others to respect their service - and more than anything, for isolated incidents not to be reflected on them as a whole -- but I don't get the impression that they expect their service to translate into a lifetime of hero worship... and I get the sense that most of them find it unseemly when other vets do.


by zonk on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:28:33 PM EST
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It's been said more than enough... (2.00 / 1)

"Here's the thing: John McCain gave a great deal to his country, and no one -- including his campaign -- should diminish that."

Quit caveating criticism with praise. It's the one thing Obama does that pisses me off. Let McPOW tell his own friggin' war stories.

Or better yet -- take a page out of the GOP playbook and swiftboat him with it. It wouldn't take much to make some people think McCrazy lost his marbles over there.


"I don't know too much about Sarah Palin, but perhaps that's the good news." -- GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
by Obama44 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:24:39 PM EST

Re: It's been said more than enough... (2.00 / 1)

I agree. I'm like, OK, OK, we all honor McCain's service 40 years ago.  We get it.


Saxby Chambliss: Asshat
by mikeinsf on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:38:12 PM EST
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Re: It's been said more than enough... (none / 0)

careful, no reason for Obama to attack his POW cred, besides that only works for Repubs due to the MSM double standard of Papa Rs and Mama Ds.  

However, I wouldn't mind if more vets came out and stated, being a POW doesn't give you a license to get away with anything or as a shield evertime you screw up.

"Here's the thing: John McCain gave a great deal to his country, and no one -- including his campaign -- should diminish that."

-And there really is no praise here, Tom is pointing out that McCain's campaign is dirtying McCain's service.  It's an observation and a "what not to do" advisement to the McCain campaign, though mockingly as I seriously doubt the diarist wants McCain's campaign to stop making themselves look like idiots.


by KLRinLA on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:40:40 PM EST
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Re: It's been said more than enough... (none / 0)

"Here's the thing: John McCain gave a great deal to his country, and no one -- including his campaign -- should diminish that."

Most people who hear it won't think beyond the praise. So just don't do it.

Just say, "McCrutch diminishes his own record by using it as an excuse for everything voters don't like about him."

As for swiftboating him, that was tongue in cheek. But of course it would need to be done by an outside group -- as the GOP will do to Obama when they target racial bigots for real.


"I don't know too much about Sarah Palin, but perhaps that's the good news." -- GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
by Obama44 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:59:58 PM EST
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Re: It's been said more than enough... (none / 0)

Just say, "McCrutch diminishes his own record by using it as an excuse for everything voters don't like about him."

good point, simple and more straight forward


by KLRinLA on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:21:43 PM EST
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Dying For One's Country (none / 0)

To die in battle may make you a hero, but that would disqualify you from ever becoming president.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:26:53 PM EST

Re: Wow. McCain Camp Responds: But He Was a POW (2.00 / 1)

They really flubbed the initial response and might have finally overplayed the POW hand. 2 narratives for the price of one and the Convention is coming up. Good times.


Welcome to a landslide WITH white working class, latinos, women and holding on sweeties!!!
by spacemanspiff on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:27:33 PM EST

"That was thirty years ago..." (2.00 / 1)

That's how John McCain just explained away his first marriage, his cheating on his sick wife while he was still living with her, and his lying about that timeline in his book.

"That was thirty years ago."

So, let's put this POW experience in this same perspective.

Or, does John McCain think his POW experience is more important than his first marriage?


by grannyhelen on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:33:52 PM EST

Re: Wow. McCain Camp Responds: But He Was a POW (2.00 / 5)

I half expect McCain to answer, at least I don't LIVE IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER


by Bob Beard on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:37:11 PM EST

Re: Wow. McCain Camp Responds: But He Was a POW (2.00 / 1)

That seems to be his response to everything. At some point, won't he exhaust the use of the POW card?


by democrattotheend on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:43:11 PM EST

Re: Wow. McCain Camp Responds: But He Was a POW (none / 0)

Look at how well it worked for Rudy.


by spirowasright on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 03:58:50 PM EST

Just dumb to go after the houses (1.50 / 2)

Seriously, are Democrats going to jump on the "McCain is out of touch" routine over this house deal?  Can you say "John Kerry"?  How about "Ted Kennedy"?  How about "George Soros"? How about any number of Democratic millionaires in national politics?  

It's so ridiculous, and a non-starter.  And if you think that going after him on POW stuff is a winner with the electorate, you're just naive.  

You have to be very, very careful in making distinctions there, not unlike McCain or anyone else having to be very, very careful about race.

The polls are tightening up, folks.  This house thing is supposed to make a difference?  Does Obama want to revisit his own house issues (i.e. Rezko)?  

Better get off this dopey narrative before it's a case of "be careful what you wish for".  


by DaTruth on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:07:31 PM EST

Re: Just dumb to go after the houses (2.00 / 1)

I read this and hear sad trombone music.


by rfahey22 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:22:39 PM EST
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Re: Just dumb to go after the houses (2.00 / 1)

awww that's so cute, it doesn't like it when McGrumpy makee gaffey.

"revisit his own house issues" - good point, I guess we'll just have to pull out all those heavily researched and detailed newspaper articles debunking all the allegations of impropriety again. Yeah, the story bombed the first time it was played...is this cd on skip?

4 to 10 house McCain, struggling voters are going to love that


by KLRinLA on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:28:09 PM EST
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Ok, smartass... (none / 0)

Look, you can either live in the real world of politics, or in your dream world, which many here seem to want to exist in.  Your choice.  But my analysis was correct, and it's already happening.  The Obama camp just gave a big opening to McCain's people, and it's not pretty.  Now, you tell me what "struggling" voters are going to think:

From the Washington Post today:

The onslaught by the Obama campaign was greeted in kind by McCain.

"Does a guy who made more than $4 million last year, just got back from vacation on a private beach in Hawaii and bought his own million-dollar mansion with the help of a convicted felon really want to get into a debate about houses?" asked McCain spokesman Brian Rogers. "Does a guy who worries about the price of arugula and thinks regular people 'cling' to guns and religion in the face of economic hardship really want to have a debate about who's in touch with regular Americans?"

The McCain campaign also promised to put Obama's ties to Tony Rezko front and center in the race now, insisting that the Illinois senator's decision to attack on the home front (heyooo!) made a discussion of his ties to the convicted real estate developer fair game.


by DaTruth on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:35:16 PM EST
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Re: Ok, smartass... (none / 0)

 reread my comment.  It's already out of the bag and debunked...keep playing with failed tactics...what's that saying?  insanity is repeating the same thing over and expecting different results?  Who is in dreamland now dipshit


by KLRinLA on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:47:01 PM EST
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Re: Just dumb to go after the houses (none / 0)

Yes. McSmear should be invited to revisit all of the attacks that have already failed.


"I don't know too much about Sarah Palin, but perhaps that's the good news." -- GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
by Obama44 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:37:14 PM EST
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Re: Just dumb to go after the houses (none / 0)

If McBush wants to associate himself with Kennedy,  Kerry, and Soros, I heartily invite him to. His base will love it, dontcha think?


"I don't know too much about Sarah Palin, but perhaps that's the good news." -- GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
by Obama44 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:30:14 PM EST
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Re: Just dumb to go after the houses (none / 0)

Uprated, not because I agree but because I don't think it deserved a TR.

I think the out-of-touch McCain narrative is useful.  It is one that builds as more 'evidence' emerges (can't count houses, $100mm dollars, etc).

Last I checked, Soros et. al. weren't running for president this year and we haven't asked them to steward our economy.


If yer after gettin the honey, then you don't go killing all the bees.
by Fluffy Puff Marshmallow on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:30:51 PM EST
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Must not go after McCain on ANYTHING! (none / 0)

We will Loooooozeeee.

Let me guess:  Clinton is the ONLY thing that can save Barry.  


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:03:56 PM EST
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Timing of Veep Announcement... (none / 0)

Apparently McCain is preparing a Rezko ad to be ready for tonights national news broadcast...

Obama could trump this by announcing his veep pick first...


by SaveElmer on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:32:44 PM EST

Re: Timing of Veep Announcement... (none / 0)

McCain is preparing a Rezko ad

Dishonest John reinvents the flat tire.


"I don't know too much about Sarah Palin, but perhaps that's the good news." -- GOP Sen. Kay Bailey Hutchison
by Obama44 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 04:40:35 PM EST
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Re: Timing of Veep Announcement... (none / 0)

"How close were Barack Obama and Tony Rezko?"
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/0 2/01/rezko/print.html

"UPI baselessly asserted that Obama paid 'substantially lower than market value" for Rezko property'
http://mediamatters.org/items/printable/ 200801250006

"Obama Bought Home Without Rezko Discount, Seller Says"
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=2 0601103&sid=aR8NLIoQEDc4&refer=u s#

Obama's Rezko narrative
http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opini on/chi-0316edit1mar16,0,4441703,print.st ory
"Less protection, less control, would have meant less hassle for his campaign. That said, Barack Obama now has spoken about his ties to Tony Rezko in uncommon detail. That's a standard for candor by which other presidential candidates facing serious inquiries now can be judged."


by eliot on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:18:42 PM EST
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Re: Wow. McCain Camp Responds: But He Was a POW (none / 0)

He's pulled the POW thing out of the deck a few too many times.
Remember the "cone of silence" brouhaha over McCain arriving 30 minutes after the questioning had already started?
When asked about it by the NYT, the McCain camp responded with this:

Nicolle Wallace, a spokeswoman for Mr. McCain, said on Sunday night that Mr. McCain had not heard the broadcast of the event while in his motorcade and heard none of the questions. "The insinuation from the Obama campaign that John McCain, a former prisoner of war, cheated is outrageous," Ms. Wallace said.

NYT


"Who are you for? That is the wrong question. It should be who is for you?" HRC
by skohayes on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:02:07 PM EST

Re: Wow. McCain Camp Responds: But He Was a POW (none / 0)

This guy was a POW also

http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202, 164859_1,00.html


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:06:18 PM EST

Re: Wow. McCain Camp Responds: But He Was a POW (none / 0)

As far as we know, McCain's houses weren't purchased with the help of a convicted felon slum lord- Obama might want to drop this line of criticism-
As far as Saddleback is concerned- whether McCain knew the questions doesn't explain Obama's poor performance- he can't think on his feet-period!
How many states did he say there were? 57? sheesh!
by midnightson on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 04:23:30 PM EST


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