Enough, already!!

I have had enough !

Do you know why the polls are closing ?  Do you know why this election is not a landslide ??

It is because you, dear progressive reader, make silly character assassinations on Sen. McCain.  And because Sen. Obama's campaign appears to be suffering from the spillover effects.  Rule #1 about character assassinations: do not make one unless you can make it stick.  

I am referring to the constant streams of "McSame" and "McBush", and "100 years of war with Islam" and "too old", and "he is mean to women", and "out of touch" etc. etc.  

Do you know why those accusations do not stick ?

(a) Because Sen. McCain is a war hero
(b) Because Sen. McCain is (perhaps) the most famous POW in history
(c) And because Sen. McCain chose a "black" daughter... of his own free will!

She is the one on the left, in case you have trouble spotting her.  She is really from Bangladesh...in all likelihood her birth parents are Muslim.  Sen. McCain's wife picked her (and another girl who was adopted by a friend) from Mother Theresa's orphanage.  Those of you who remember South Carolina in 2000 may recall her as being an issue: Sen. McCain had, or so we were told, bastarded a black child.  

That accusation stuck amongst the Republican primary voters in South Carolina.

Do you really think the general public has forgotten ?

There is only one way to defeat a decorated war hero ~ sing poems praising his characters, and then attack his policies.

You could ask President Clinton how that is done.  That is exactly what he did in 1996... against another decorated war hero.  Perhaps you remember the results ~ the confirmed draft dodging, womanizing, potsmoking tax and spend liberal beat the crap out of the decorated war hero who was promising to cut taxes.. and it wasn't even close!  Sen. Clinton, if you recall, was singing ballads praising Sen. McCain.. you probably thought she was out of her mind, didn't you !!

Oh wait, I forgot... the "Clintons" are a source of trouble, not of inspiration!!



Display:


Tip jar.. (1.71 / 7)

please post the troll ratings here!!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:20:34 PM EST

Re: Tip jar.. (none / 0)

tap yer toes..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kf9qtCLyW cE


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:28:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Enough, already!! (2.00 / 4)

The polls are closing because the only 'character assassination' that's been going on for the last couple months hase been directed at Obama.  


by Whash on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:21:18 PM EST

Yeah never attack a war hero (2.00 / 2)

I'm eager to see how President Kerry's second term goes.


by JJE on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:23:45 PM EST

Re: Yeah never attack a war hero (none / 0)

They (Swiftboaters) knew how to make it stick.  Do you ?


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:25:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No (none / 0)

But I'm not in politics.  My guess is you have to find a theme and keep hammering it.  We'll see if Obama keeps hammering the McCain = Monty Burns theme.


by JJE on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:42:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

All right (none / 0)

Is there anyone on Sen. Obama's team that can make it stick ?


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:49:44 PM EST
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Re: All right (none / 0)

Who's side are you are?????


by venician on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:51:39 PM EST
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Re: All right (none / 0)

I have posted a tip jar where you can troll rate me, and be done with it!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:52:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All right (none / 0)

Denton and Stockdale are heroes...McCain...not so much.


"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder
by Stipes on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:55:06 PM EST
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Re: All right (none / 0)

Yes, good luck with that !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:56:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All right (none / 0)

Thanks!

Do you even know who they are?

Quick!  Google it!


"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder
by Stipes on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:57:43 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All right (none / 0)

you must think you are the only clever person in the world !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:58:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All right (none / 0)

you must think you are the only clever person in the world !!

If the world were only made up of you and me...why then...Yes!


"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder
by Stipes on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:21:17 PM EST
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Re: All right (none / 0)

wow!

after all this thinking...you could only come up with that empty retort ?


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:25:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: All right (none / 0)

McCain has early stage dementia.


"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder
by Stipes on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:29:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Seven has a PhD in some engineering field... (2.00 / 1)

if I recollect...not really an average bloke...


by louisprandtl on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:29:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Seven has a PhD in some engineering field... (none / 0)

Dr. Seven is not an engineer, by any measure.  He will even tell you that...


"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder
by Stipes on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:30:55 PM EST
[ Parent ]

ok..pardon my profound ignorance..as always ... (2.00 / 1)


by louisprandtl on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:32:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

LOL (none / 0)

Did you go to CMU, by any chance ?

I am asking only because I remember your diary about Randy Pausch... of course you could have gone anywhere and still diaried about it!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:34:16 PM EST
[ Parent ]

No...I didn't but have visited that (none / 0)

great school......(I'm a low info person (according to the famed DKos blog) hence not that educated you see ..;)...which school did you go to? UCBerkeley?

..like most I was also following Randy's last year


by louisprandtl on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:39:06 PM EST
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Re: No...I didn't but have visited that (2.00 / 1)

I almost went to CMU... but I was told that Pittsburg is a very cold place, and that scared me at the time.

I went to Virginia Tech and Caltech (where the Men's basketball team finally won a game in 2007)!

And as to your "low info" status... it goes to show how well stereotyping works... I had you pegged as a highly educated voter ~ because you seemed to write intelligent, thoughtful posts!

Now that I know you are a low information voter, I will be sure to hiderate your comments to oblivion =)


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:43:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I've been to Norris Hall at Blacksburg before (none / 0)

the crazy killer appeared..never got to/visited Caltech...way too high for me ;) Know some great folks working at the GalCit and JPL...

Your last two lines prompts me to warn you that on the web many like me can pretend to be knowledgeable..so beware :)


by louisprandtl on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:19:29 PM EST
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Re: I've been to Norris Hall at Blacksburg before (none / 0)

Well, I have fond memories of VT, even though my offices were very close to Norris.

My friends wife was teaching down the hall.. and his daughter was taking a class downstairs.  Undestandably, they were quite upset... but they still love the place!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:25:29 PM EST
[ Parent ]

i actually knew prof. Librescu..a very good man.. (none / 0)

saw him first at a theoretical applied mechanics conference in the early nineties after he came to US from Romania. A great loss..


by louisprandtl on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:35:18 PM EST
[ Parent ]

about the low info thing, it came directly (none / 0)

when some DKos bloggers started referring HRC supporters as low info people...hey can't have stated that better about myself..

however none can top when Dana Houle the DKos Frontpage blogger told me to go fuck myself when I commented that his FP diary is not helpful for unity in the party..but then DH was later out fantasizing about HRC..who knew..


by louisprandtl on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:06:05 PM EST
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Re: Seven has a PhD in some engineering field... (none / 0)

it was physical chemistry, actually !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:31:26 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Seven has a PhD in some engineering field... (none / 0)

What, couldn't hack Chem E?


"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder
by Stipes on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:33:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Engineer vs Scientist...now that's a good fight... (none / 0)


by louisprandtl on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:35:12 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Please my pardon my ignorance on your (none / 0)

field of expertise..


by louisprandtl on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:34:00 PM EST
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Re: Please my pardon my ignorance on your (none / 0)

well, pardon my insolence.

I shoulda thanked you first...for stickout out for me, instead of correcting you!!

I guess being called a troll (which I expected when I posted this) does affect one's decisionmaking...


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:36:41 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Oh..don't worry...Stipes is a good guy... (none / 0)


We are too fast on our moves to insult somebody on the web..believe I had done the same mistake and have suffered the same..

by louisprandtl on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:46:48 PM EST
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Re: Oh..don't worry...Stipes is a good guy... (none / 0)

Louis,

Dr. Seven and I have a history...although I was a different username then...


"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder
by Stipes on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:50:50 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Alrighty...understood.. ..history is not really (none / 0)

my domain...for that matter nothing really is.... haha..:)


by louisprandtl on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:13:42 PM EST
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Re: Alrighty...understood.. ..history is not reall (none / 0)

No worries!  

I'll explain later.

;-)


"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder
by Stipes on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:29:24 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Oh..don't worry...Stipes is a good guy... (none / 0)

Seven, I didn't mean to say that you insulted anybody..I was just writing aloud..


by louisprandtl on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:00:56 PM EST
[ Parent ]

I don't know (none / 0)

it's a matter of what he does, not a matter of who does it.  It can probably stick if it's hit hard and repeatedly.


by JJE on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:15:58 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

Yer Blues...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLVCmqSAf Bs
"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:26:01 PM EST

I hesitate to give us that much power (2.00 / 6)

I mean, I'm all for not using stupid nicknames for McCain and sticking to the issues, but I doubt we have that much affect on the polls.

The "tightening of the polls" that everyone is so worried about is pretty natural for a race of this nature: I'd attribute it more to the fact that Obama is playing chess while McCain is playing checkers.  McCain goes for the big flashy short-term attacks, while Obama is over there setting up the endgame.  

The media, who sees Obama as the front-runner, wants the ratings gold of keeping the race tight, so they under-report McCain's gaffes.  It's not a conscious decision on "the media's" part (even with modern conglomeratization of the news networks, the entire media is not a monolithic entity), they just run whatever they think will be a more popular news story at any given time; Obama is orders of magnitude more photogenic and is a fresher news story than a candidate whose biggest cultural recommendation happened in the 70's.

In short, we are an echo chamber and don't have the kind of power to affect the race in the way you're talking about.  Even O'Reilly's attacks on us and Kos are relatively toothless, because pictures of a website are pretty boring, and he sounds like a blowhard even to his own fans when he's on that drivel.  What we, as the netroots, DO have power over is the enthusiasm of Obama's supporters and the ability to make sure that the under-reported stories get dispersed despite the major media's reluctance.

If we're responsible for the race tightening, it's because we're not out there cheering our guy on or because we're getting apathetic and not fighting the fight for getting the truth known as hard as we should be.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:28:14 PM EST

Re: I hesitate to give us that much power (2.00 / 3)

Best comment of the bunch....

Honestly, I don't know what all of the hand-wringing is about.  It's freakin' August... we haven't had a single debate (NOT McCain's forte btw) and a lot of people are not watching political theater yet.

The only poll that matters happens in November and McCain will probably implode and cuss someone out on camera between now and then.


McCain/Palin... even scarier than Bush/Cheney... and that's saying something!
by JenKinFLA on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:46:30 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Thanks (2.00 / 1)

Best comment of the bunch....

Yer not so bad yerself. ;)

The debates might actually have an effect on the final result this time.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:16:44 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Enough, already!! (2.00 / 3)

No troll rating just a comment that you may be wrong. Obama has always reminded  that McCain is a good man, a war hero a POW that loves his country. So he sung his praise as Hillary did.

But McCain started the character assault so at some point you have to say enough. The average American voter is an idiot and unless you paint the guy as out of touch, doesn't get it, is no more than a Noun - verb - POW. ( this last one he seems to be doing all by himself) Unfortunately the average American voter wouldn't know a policy if it fell on them. If it was just policy Obama would be way ahead.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:29:12 PM EST

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

Perhaps you can look up Pres. GHW Bush's campaign against Gov Clinton in 1992.

They (the Republicans and Pres. Bush himself) went out of their way to point out all the character flaws in Clinton ~ "the commander of the Arkansas National Guard" is how Pres. Bush derisively called him.

Clinton won... not by responding in kind (because that would have been futile), but by ... well, you know the game !!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:32:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

Different time and place. And before we lost two in a row thanks to Rove, just the very thing you a saying is wrong.

And I'm sorry saying the guy is out of touch, doesn't understand the economy because it has no effect on him is not a character, never saw a war he didn't like smear it's just hitting hard.


Faced with the choice between changing one's mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
by jsfox on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:46:11 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

Dont you understand.. Sen. McCain would like nothing more than to have the progressive left (and even Sen. Obama himself) question his character!!

Calling him out of touch is fair game (although that is hard to stick either), saying that he never saw a war he didnt like.. that is just plain stupid.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:51:47 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Enough, already!! (2.00 / 1)

Yup, if he DOESN'T fight back, he goes the way of Kerry and the Swiftboaters....

Too wimpy to throw a punch back?

How can he fight back with Putin?

You know how this works, Seven....


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:33:32 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

So, your version of fighting back is calling him McSame, and suggesting that we ignore Putin in Georgia.... ?


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:37:27 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Enough, already!! (2.00 / 3)

Sorry, but I wouldn't hire you for my campaign.  McCain was a POW over 30 years ago; his corrupt nature since then is fair game.  Your historical comparison is also completely off - Bush owned the recession that was occurring at that time; he had a track record in office against which to run.  McCain is not an incumbent and can thus run solely on character.  Bush also didn't campaign as a war hero, that was a minor detail in his campaign.


by rfahey22 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:30:11 PM EST

Re: Enough, already!! (2.00 / 1)

Seven, this isn't cause and effect here.

"Do you know why the polls are closing ?"

It because you, dear progressive reader, make silly character assassinations on Sen. McCain.  And because Sen. Obama's campaign appears to be suffering from the spillover effects."

That's irrational. Some small group of folks on a blog throw some dirt, and SUDDENLY the polls in Ohio dip?


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:31:31 PM EST

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

Note to anyone...
How many hours of your fuckin precious time have you donated to the Obama Campaign..
How many hours do you intend to pony up? Before November?

No snark...
Maybe McCain's economic guru Gramm was kinda right when he called us "a nation of whiners"


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:33:59 PM EST

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

a preview of McCain in the debates...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hnb2IrsU1 Cg


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:36:28 PM EST

I don't hate John McCain (2.00 / 5)

And I still, somewhere deep inside me, hold some small reserve of respect for the man.

The candidate?  None whatsoever.  He's sold out hard and cheap.


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:40:59 PM EST

Re: I don't hate John McCain (2.00 / 2)

Your argument is more likely to be palatable to the public than the current line of attack....


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:29:35 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

ya know..I believe you are trying to make enough points to get an "I was a POW so get off my lawn"
coffee mug

http://www.johnmccain.com/ActionCenter/B logInteract/BlogInteract.aspx

Take this back with you...
http://www.military.com/opinion/0,15202, 164859_1,00.html


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:41:59 PM EST

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

"I am referring to the constant streams of "McSame" and "McBush", and "100 years of war with Islam" and "too old", and "he is mean to women", and "out of touch" etc. etc. "

Dude, its not character assasination when it's true, we're merely pointing out observations of his consistent behavior in this fashion.

McBush means he votes in line with Bush, the reason for our economic downturn.  we just want to remind people that McBush is not going to be any different thatn Bush.  And he won't, you kow why?  BEdause the same people that pulled Bush's strings will pull McCain's strings becasue a) McCain doesn't know shit about the economy, b) McCain has surrounded himself with lobbyists  whose goals are not in our best interests.

It's fair game because it's true.  It'd be fair game even if it weren't true, but since we're not Rovian Republicans, we don't throw out baseless bullshit.

You have the burden of proof on your claims that progressive blog commenters are swaying voters to McCain, so please provide some polling data to back that up, otherwise you are just speculating.  


by KLRinLA on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:49:53 PM EST

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

Hah...funny how your logic works.

You make several statements and then aver that it is "true"... no proof provided, of course.  So it must be one of those self evident truths that the framers talked about.

Next, you demand that I provide you proof!


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:55:53 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

Sorry if you took my tone to be contentious, but I do believe you are the one that wrote a diary saying that all of us progressive bloggers/posters are the ones to blame for McCain's closing the gap in some polls.  So yeah, you made the claim, now back it up with some data please.

My claims have been heavily cited on this and other blogs.  For example, ever hear how McCain voted party line Bush 95% in the last year?  Yeah, you probably read it here from Todd, Josh, Jonathan, and/or Jerome, and clearly cited.  I could also refer you to the Senate webpage so you can see.  Can you send me to any cites that evidence your claim?  

See, I didn't even call you any names, I was just asking for the sources and explaining why I think it is ok to go along with these attacks on McCain, because they are tue.  


by KLRinLA on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:47:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

Actually, you made a number of claims.  I am aware of McCain's voting record.  But in addition to that, you made several other claims.

Can you cite, for instance, any evidence supporting your claim that McBush (or even Bush) is the reason for the economic downturn.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:55:14 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

I didn't think you had any evidence for your claims.  Since you ahve no proof of hwat you are saying, why even say it?  Why don't you just tell us that is your "intuition" or how you think should be played, instead of admonishing us because we use different tactics?

Bush reason for downturn?  Let's see, continuing tax incentives for companies that ship jobs oversees, gutting out federal departments that provide oversight and regulation/enforcement, SEC is a joke, subprime mortgage funds shouldn't have ever been created, everyone new the rates were going to go up, they were at virtually rock bottom - but everyone wanted to get a taste before the bubble exploded, in and out, this shouldn't have happened. As soon as rates rose we were all fubar, speculation on the markets has been uncontrolled,  shorting was jsut allowed again, whcih takes advantage of bearish markerts and helps to keep it down,  oil is at a much higher price per barrel than it should be...all of this is linked to economic plans, deregulation, and general indifference to the rule of law and rebuking the use of goverment as a protective tool for consumers.  You could also say all the money wasted in Iraq could've been invested into the US, incentivising R&D in alternative energy, which would have created more jobs (or take your pick of industries)....so yeah, I blame the Bush adminsitration for our economic state.


by KLRinLA on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:10:57 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

sorry for the typos, mind faster than fingers


by KLRinLA on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:12:40 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Here is proof... (none / 0)

Every time I hear McSame, or McBush... or 100 year of war, it makes me want to go out and vote for McCain.

And as to your arguments, you might be interested in what Paul Krugman has to say about all that.


If you follow history with a long enough arc, things always get better, and the truth always prevails...Gandhi
by SevenStrings on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:16:39 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Here is proof... (none / 0)

I am sorry, I'd say that a democrat who votes for a war mongering republican because he/she feels sorry for him after some nasties on the internet said some accurate but silly stuff about him is pretty pathetic.

Just think about it, it is not even rational.  Not only that but do you feel sorry for Obama now that there are two newly released books on national best seller list(*) sliming him?  

 Go over the ABC, CBS, NBC, or any other national nonpartisan (i guess) site and look what those bloggers are saying.  You won't believe your eyes.  You must surely vote for Obama, they call him terrorist, commie, racist names, and so much more than just a "McSame".

Now go over to right partisan sites, same thing, they charcter assasinate Michelle, his kids, Obama, anyone associated to him, dems

I like your diaries about the middle east, but I find it perpelexing that, if you are a democrat, you have extremely thin skin for accurate attacks on McCain, yet superiorly thick skin for smears lies and innuendo attacks on Obama.

And if you are not a democrat, then no thanks to your advice, I think we got it covered.


by KLRinLA on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:34:48 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Enough, already!! (2.00 / 1)

Reporter- "Hey John, How many fingers am I holding up?"

McCain - "Well, um, you see if thumbs...I'll have my staff get back to you."

Can we call this one "SenilityGate?"

Why is he a war hero for getting shot down?  Serious question?

Denton and Stockdale were awarded the Medal of Honor in captivity.  Those dudes are heroes!


"Can We Build It? Yes We Can!" - Bob the Builder
by Stipes on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:53:16 PM EST

SS, I sort of feel ya (2.00 / 2)

It's not a question of what's "fair game" or "off-limits" or whatever, just a question of what's smart and likely to work.  I happen to believe that going after McCain's war/POW record is a bad idea, just because it's likely to backfire.  The sad truth is that, while it worked with Kerry, it won't with McCain--any focus that history gets will work to his benefit because it reinforces public perceptions of him.  Kerry was a war hero but he wasn't tortured for his country.  It's not fair that Repubs get free passes on war stuff, but it's reality.

Same goes for nicknames, I think.  If you're trying to convince people not to vote for McCain, calling him some sophomoric nickname won't help.  McLame?  McBush?  All that shit does is rah-rah up the base who's already gonna vote against him.  It doesn't convince those who need convincing.  It feels good but doesn't help.

Lines of attack that will and do work, I think, involve his judgment and his recent selling out of his principles.  Keating Five.  The Bush tax cuts.  War-mongering with Iran.  100 years in Iraq.  More Scalias and Alitos.  Out-of-touch re: $5 million makes you rich and seven homes is normal.  Subtle reminders that the dude's old and gets confused (but not blatant enough to piss off AARP voters).  THE WAR. THE WAR. THE WAR.


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:42:16 PM EST

one more thing (2.00 / 1)

While I think it's a bad idea to go after McCain's war/POW record itself, I do think it's smart to attack his continued reliance on it to deflect all other questions.  Like how he gets called on shit and responds, "but I was a POW!"

I think there's a smart way to undermine McCain's reputation--deserved or not--for being a principled maverick by acknowledging it, and then contrasting. Like that MoveOn ad that expressed disappointment at his prevaricating.  Or Tommy Vietor's statements about how McCain dishonors his own legacy by using it as a crutch.  "John, we know you served your country well, but you're dishonoring that service by using it to deflect all questions on your credibility!"  "John, you were a maverick back in the Nineties, why did you sell your soul to the extreme wing of your party?"  Etc.

That way you draw the contrast between what he once was/could have been/paints himself as, and who he has become/really is/always was.


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:52:21 PM EST

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

Your argument is partially true, but it has nothing to do with character. Truth is, even though certain elements of the Democratic wing are by far the masters of political satire (Daily Show, duh), the official Democratic platform is MUCH, MUCH worse at deadpan folksy jokes and snark than the Republicans.

If we can ever overcome our desire to make stupid puns like McSame or Betray-Us, we will gain SO much ground. If the Democrats can learn how to make fun of the Republicans without trying so hard, they will be much more popular guests on the talk shows. It's why Biden is successful, and Hillary to a lesser extent. Obama is pretty good at the deadpan, too, but he gets held back a lot of the time and it never gets as much coverage as McCain.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:45:35 PM EST

Re: Enough, already!! (none / 0)

I just wanted to add one more thing: in the 1992 election, George Bush was hit - pretty hard - because he showed up at a grocery store and had no idea what the price of a gallon of milk was at that time.  It showed that he was clueless as to the lives of ordinary Americans and deaf to their economic problems.  In some ways, today's line of attack is the spiritual successor of that development.


by rfahey22 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:33:51 PM EST


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