No Nunn, no Kerry, nobody knows

Nunn is out of the country. I've also got good word that its not Kerry. So, back to Daschle? Maybe, or how about Reed?  

Obama and about 5 people know now, and they are good at keeping the secret.

Update [2008-8-21 17:20:19 by Todd Beeton]:A friend is telling me that CNN is reporting that the announcement will come "any minute."

Update [2008-8-21 18:17:52 by Todd Beeton]:Why the announcement may not be imminent at all. From The Fix:

One other interesting side note about the housing story: If Obama's campaign had planned to roll out their vice presidential pick at any point today, that announcement is likely to be put on hold. Why? The campaign believes the story about McCain's many houses is political gold and they won't want to step on it with a veep announcement that would immediately change the day's storyline.

Update [2008-8-21 21:13:6 by Jerome Armstrong]: The Page is thinking that Obama's signal today saying that "I want somebody who's independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House."

... means Dick Lugar, who has already endorsed McCain?!?! Man overboard!!!!

Update [2008-8-21 22:18:55 by Jerome Armstrong]: Tom Watson, with his thoughts concluding the night. We will know tomorrow.



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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Clinton.  Or maybe Schweitzer.  Or Kaine.  Yeah, one of them.  Or maybe he's been working on Warner?  Yeah, lets just keep right on tossing names out like we had any idea.


by Whash on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:08:50 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

I dont understand Kaine is antichoice and against stem cell research.  He is no different then lieberman.  He is not progressive.

david


by giusd on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:19:16 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Uh, Lieberman is strongly pro-life and for stem cell research.  

And Obama's choice will not be a progressive.  It'll be a pretty mainstream middle of the road Dem.  They'll also probably be Catholic, and have personal issues with abortion (while understanding the need to preserve Roe v. Wade), just like the vast majority of working class White Dems, especially the Catholic ones.  


by Whash on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:25:13 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Who doesn't have personal issues with abortion? I don't mean to make this a long argument thread... But we're pro choice) not pro abortion.


John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.
by recusancy on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:28:29 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

But when Catholics like Kaine state it (even when they also say they support Roe v. Wade), people freak out and lump them in with actual anti-choice people.


by Whash on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:33:13 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Come on he doesnt support stem cell research.  These are left over cells from in vitro fertilizaiton.  They are not a human being and they could provide advancements for many human diseases.  WTF.  Cant we do better than him.

david


by giusd on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:35:08 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Name me a VP possibility, and I'll tell you a good reason they suck.  


by Whash on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:37:28 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Maybe...  But then again, if he doesn't do anything to prevent it or make abortio illegal, etc.... I don't think that their personal opinion is always whats relevent.... Look at Kaines Death Penalty stance, against it, but he follows the people's will on that issue.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:58:48 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Lieberman is pro-choice.


by rapcetera on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:48:51 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Lieberman is pro-choice, not pro-life.  That's what the whole Republican pro-choice test ballon was all about.


No Way. No How. No McCain.
by Denny Crane on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 09:16:06 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Yeah, but only one of them is speaking at the Republican National Convention.


by Skaje on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:00:04 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

If it was Schweitzer that would be awesome. And Obama will be in Montana the on Wed (when the vp speaks).


John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.
by recusancy on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:22:06 PM EST
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If McCain hadn't stepped in ____ today... (none / 0)

...we'd probably know. Unless it was someone famous who requires no intriduction.

But I'm still glad McCain gave the Obama campaign some much needed political gold.

I'm starting to think it's going to be Clinton.


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:09:18 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Not Biden.  Obama hint today suggests economics and someone with whom he will disagree at times.

Obama said he wanted somebody who is "prepared to be president" and who will be "a partner with me in strengthening this economy for the middle class and working families."

He said he was looking for not just a partner but a sparring partner. "I want somebody who's independent, somebody who can push against my preconceived notions and challenge me so we have got a robust debate in the White House."

Clinton?  Bayh?  Sparring partner?  


by TomP on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:11:17 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Clearly must be Clinton.


by Whash on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:12:40 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

The comments do suggest that it might be Clinton.  She certainly would have the helping working families part along with challenging him.  I would be very pleased with it ... but I've got my doubts.  

In saying that, the comments seem to suggest someone that's in the middle, more DLC-ish ... maybe Bayh.

Btw, anyone think Vilsack gets a Cabinet spot?  I'm a fan.


by toonsterwu on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:14:07 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

You don't think Biden would challenge Obama?  


by toonsterwu on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:12:58 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

To what?

A nice game of scrabble while they are on the the campaign plane?


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:17:01 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

I think Biden is a very opinionated guy who knows a lot about foreign policy and thinks he knows even more.  It would be hard to imagine him being anything other than assertive as VP.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:27:28 PM EST
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Obama is confident on (none / 0)

foreign policy.  The "hint" suggests economic issues.  Biden is the big foreign policy guy.  Not that he would not challenge him, but that Obama is not going FP.  All just a guess.


by TomP on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:34:44 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Too bad... any candidate that can make poop jokes to the press is #1 in my book... or, should I say, #2!


It profits a PUMA nothing to give their soul for the whole world... but for McCain? --Sir Thomas More (if he were here now)
by LordMike on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:04:32 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

As a Clinton person she would be a big positive for me, and strategically I think she makes a lot of sense. Nice to see him rolling out the "team of rivals" bit again, I like him better when he acknowledges his weaknesses.

But I can understand his campaign's "overshadowing" fear. A lot of people, comparing them on the national stage, will wonder why she's got second billing. I don't think Obama will risk it. I'm still hoping/guessing Biden, the choice that would least piss me off.

Bayh? How is he a sparring partner? I'm not aware of any specific issue where they disagree.


by souvarine on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:36:08 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

My guess is that (and I have nothing to base it on) scheduling Tim Kaine last in this mini-whirlwind is sort of throwing Kaine a bone, getting him some last second national publicity whereas guys like Biden/Bayh/Richardson have more national recognition.

I think this has been Biden's to lose for awhile.  I'm sticking with Biden being the nod here, as we have Minner to put another Dem in there, and Biden is coming off a high profile foreign policy visit, thus giving Obama a good thrust to the McCain counters on FP and experience.

In a for fun scenario - if it's Obama/Biden, I'd guess

SecState - Richardson
SecDef - Clark?  Nunn?

I wonder what Cabinet slot Kaine gets.  To be honest, if went the Moore route of Caroline Kennedy, I think I would be intrigued.  That said, I don't expect that.

Of course, the counter might be that he had such a superb meeting with Kaine that solidified things, but I doubt it.


by toonsterwu on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:12:09 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Might as well get in on the speculation while I can...

Could be he's wanted Warner all along and wanted to boost's Kaine's profile as the replacement Senate candidate.

We'll all know soon enough and be able focus on next week!


by alamedadem on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:57:39 PM EST
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that would be awesome (none / 0)

Obama/Warner sounds awfully strong.


by highgrade on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:37:21 PM EST
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Re: that would be awesome (none / 0)

Kaine should be able to trounce Gilmore.  Kaine/Gilmore could also delude the GOP into spending a lot of their sparse $$$, thinking it's NJ!


by alamedadem on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:13:50 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Might as well get in on the speculation while I can...

Could be he's wanted Warner all along and wanted to boost's Kaine's profile as the replacement Senate candidate.

We'll all know soon enough and be able focus on next week!


by alamedadem on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:57:39 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (2.00 / 3)

Jerome's secret sources are pretty awesome.  Mine tell me it will not be Mike Gravel.  Whose sources are superior?

I've always been skeptical of arguments that attempt to divine the VP choice based upon convention schedules, for the simple reason that if the VP decision were factored into the schedule already, a lot more people would have to be in the know (meaning it would get leaked).  Rather, I assume they'll just take 5 minutes to reshuffle the convention schedule if need be.

If I must make a prediction, here is mine.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:14:34 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (2.00 / 1)

MY SOURCES tell me that it isn't Bill Clinton.  NOR will it be Jimmy Carter or Ted Kennedy.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:24:01 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

The key is to make multiple predictions and litter them throughout the internets.... then you'll be right.


by Jerome Armstrong on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 09:56:15 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Daschule no, Reed, a dark horse maybe.

Come on Obama, throuw me the big fat curve ball.

I still have heard NO downside to Wes Clark.

Give me the General, and I will forget about all the miserable polls.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:19:28 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

All the miserable polls which show obama ahead (except one)

Miserable in what way?

(cue: buy why isn't he doing BETTER!?!?!)


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:33:39 PM EST
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I can haz Obama/Clark plz? (none / 0)

Prity plz?


Wouldn't it be nice if there were no rhetorical questions?
by Elsinora on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:55:34 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Clark is not a good politician. I know folks loved his comments about McCain not being ready for President based on his POW record. I agree, obviously. But Clark just isn't very good at campaigning. He'd a be a great SecDef.


by elrod on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:38:55 AM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (2.00 / 1)

FWIW, Kristol on RCP speculates that it will be Reed. I assume that dooms his shot at VP. ;)


by tietack on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:19:37 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Compared to some of the others mentioned, I'd love Reed.  He'd be a great choice, even if he isn't well known.  But then again, did most people know who Dick Cheney was in 2000  or Bill Clinton and Al Gore in 1992.   I mean, Joe Average might hear their name but at that point Tipper might have been the better known Gore to the Low info voter.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:25:59 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

I'm no fan of Reed, but he couldn't do more harm as VP than he did as Senate Majority Leader.

Plus, it would clear that position for Clinton.  That could be the deal that was struck....


by jbhelfrich on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:41:40 PM EST
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Wrong "Reed" (2.00 / 1)

They are talking about Jack Reed from RI, not Harry Reid from NV.


by Blue Bear on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:04:54 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

you know what I can't wait for?

When this announcement is over.  I'm more curious about the makeup of his Cabinet than I really am about VP in all honesty.


by toonsterwu on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:22:06 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Agreed.  And much more interested in who he'd have lined up for the Supreme Court (not that he'd be telling us now, but have some perspective on relative importance of these positions).


by milton333 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:15:41 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Not Kaine or Sebelius:

http://blogs.chron.com/texaspolitics/arc hives/2008/08/scratch_two_fro.html


by mikes101 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:24:24 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

I don't think that means anything.  Remember, whoever Obama's chosen doesn't even know at this point, much less whenever it was that Kaine and Sebelius made those plans.


What is The October Protocol?
by Koan on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 09:51:58 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

I am watching Cnn, and I better get my text first.


by Sylden37 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:25:23 PM EST

Any minute (none / 0)

"Any minute" as in very, very soon, or "any minute" as in any time from now until Saturday?


by tilthouse on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:27:27 PM EST

Re: Any minute (none / 0)

CNN made it sound like "it could come at any minute" (as in now til saturday) as opposed to it may come "any minute now" (as in very soon).


by BlueGAinDC on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:30:31 PM EST
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Re: Any minute (2.00 / 1)

I certainly don't think it would be today. why in the world would they want to step on such a good story? If they announce the VP pick today, all the news shows would talk about that instead of the McCain house flap. You can tell it's really getting under McCain's skin. They are flailing in response and firing off all their oppo ammo. Fine by me. I'd just as soon get it out now to give it time to dissipate.


by jadegirl on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:37:16 PM EST
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Re: Any minute (none / 0)

I would agree, except that I think Obama planned his announcement time already. It may not have been set for today, but if it was, i think its unlikely that it would be pushed back, because I think that a VP rollout is more important in the long run.

That said, I think it was always going to be Sat morning, but who knows?


by BlueGAinDC on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:40:56 PM EST
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Re: Any minute (none / 0)

Will they just get on with it!

I notice though that when I texted 62262, I got a follow-up asking me for my zip code for updates on when Barack will be in my area...

So the upside for them here is that the campaign is getting a ton of cell phones to blanket message during the coming months.


I proudly support Barack Obama for President!
by Zeitgeist9000 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:31:12 PM EST
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Re: Any minute (none / 0)

And emails.

This was always mostly a ploy to improve and expand the voter file.  That these are textable mobile phones that you can, say, remind people to vote (or vote early, in some states) is a nice bonus.


by tilthouse on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:36:32 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

I hope and pray it is Clinton.


Obama/Biden 08
by W126 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:28:19 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (2.00 / 1)

Put not your faith in princes (or princesses, for that matter).


by Reaper0Bot0 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:38:26 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (2.00 / 6)

Whoever it is, they better not have more than one house.  Preferably a cozy bungalow, or better yet a van down by the river.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:28:44 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (2.00 / 1)

Feingold has less in the bank than he owes on his single house.

He also drives an $8K car.

Just saying.


John McCain, maverick
by lojasmo on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:34:57 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

From your lips to God's ear.  Biden also has limited means, if we want to go down that road.  Oh, and I hear Hillary Clinton is in a lot of debt... heh.


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:38:32 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Van by the River?  I can see the Wingnut pundits now talking about the Dem Pedophile VP with his van by the river.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:27:05 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Neil Young?  Oh damn, he's Canadian  :-(


John McCain: Bush right to veto kids health insurance expansion
by Calvin Jones and the 13th Apostle on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 01:02:44 AM EST
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Any minute? (none / 0)

Why would they ruin this great coverage of "Nine-Houses" McCain by taking the media's attention away from it?


by Bush Bites on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:29:00 PM EST

Re: Any minute? (none / 0)

They won't. There's no way it comes today.


John McCain defends Bush's Iraq strategy.
by recusancy on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:31:11 PM EST
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Re: Any minute? (none / 0)

Maybe to drown out McCain's soon-to-be-released BS Rezko ad.


by rfahey22 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:36:01 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

VP choice probably not coming today because of the McMansion story... I'm guessing that Obama would like this to saturate the airwaves before he announces his choice.  My guess is that it was originally going to come tonight, but will now probably come Saturday morning just before the event.

If it were to come tonight, though, it'd probably be by 6PM.


by leshrac55 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:38:37 PM EST

My Prediction (none / 0)

He'll text message his choice to supporters tomorrow afternoon so that his choice will dominate the Friday news cycle, then make the official announcement on Saturday in Springfield.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:52:06 PM EST
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Re: My Prediction (none / 0)

Friday evening is kind of dead time; I bet he announces early tomorrow AM, to catch the Friday morning shows.


by davisb on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:55:35 PM EST
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Evan Bayh Seems To Fit the Profile (2.00 / 1)

Obama appears to state that he wants someone to be (1) Low Profile, (2) Complement his strengths (in other words be experienced), (3) Be able to disagree with him (Conservative wing of the party).

Of the major candidates mentioned, Evan Bayh fits the profile best.


Dizzy Zzyzzy
by Zzyzzy on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:40:20 PM EST

Re: Evan Bayh Seems To Fit the Profile (none / 0)

God I hope not.  I vomit in my mouth thinking about it.  If Hillary had won, It would have been very hard for me to vote for that ticket.  I probably still would have but it would have been hard.


http://www.imvotingrepublican.com/ McCain Sucks!
by yitbos96bb on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:56:18 PM EST
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Are you stupid or something? (none / 0)

Seriously!!  Pro-life, 100 years war, Keating 5/Abramoff, privatized social security, "portable" health care, tax cuts for the rich, McSame is even a consideration!?!?!?


"Action comes easy; it's the moments just before that are hard." ~Defiance, Ohio~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTD H4
by ScienceTeacher118 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 09:46:17 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (2.00 / 1)

"1) Low Profile, (2) Complement his strengths (in other words be experienced), (3) Be able to disagree with him"

Gotta to be Gravel folks. Turn Alaska Blue!


by alexmhogan on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 05:59:28 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

I don't think it will be any of the so-called frontrunners (as if there the media has any idea who the true VP frontrunners are).

My left-field guesses:

Sen. Jon Tester of Montana
Sen. Sherrod Brown of Ohio

Both of them reinforce the ticket in important ways, without giving the Republicans ammo.   And of course their electoral benefits are immediately obvious, unlike Biden's or Sebelius'.


by Skaje on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:03:03 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Here's the thing about the "left-field" guesses... Wouldn't Obama have had to meet them in person at some point?  I just don't know that he'd pick someone that he hasn't had a chance to meet with, and I don't know if he's met with any of these people.

That's why it almost seems like it has to come from the "short-list" or the small number of "longer shots" (like Clinton and Clark).


by leshrac55 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:26:04 PM EST
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i was hoping it was nunn (none / 0)

the fact that he's out of the country really put an end to that speculation?


by ab03 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:10:03 PM EST

They can step on Rezko ad McCain is planning! (none / 0)


You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat
by indydem99 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 06:35:02 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (2.00 / 1)

from a TV news/newspaper perspective ---- the ideal time to announce was this morning

Saturday MSM is usually a poor newsday but Friday and Sunday are usually great, so an announcement tomorrow (which would be geared for Sunday Talk shows and post Olympic news would really limit Obama to Sunday and the preconvention hoopla)

I'm still betting on Biden, he fits well with many demographics but more importantly he's a great campaigner


by kmwray on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:01:54 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

Where is the mention of "low profile"?

- Matt


by mjc888 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:10:08 PM EST

We won't see the VP and Obama togeather untill Sat (none / 0)

Which makes me think we won't see the Txt until all the Sat papers hit the press.

Then the Sunday newspapers and Sunday shows will be buzzing with the VP.

Friday would be a dumb day to roll it out. So it was today or Saturday. And I think it's gonna be Saturday.


"Live your beliefs and you can turn the world around." --Thoreau
by Populista on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 07:42:55 PM EST

Re: We won't see the VP and Obama togeather untill (none / 0)

You didn't get the email?

Its Clinton.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:32:03 PM EST
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Re: We won't see the VP and Obama togeather untill (none / 0)

My txt sez it's Quayle.


by hilltard on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 09:48:53 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry nobody knows (none / 0)

I give them this the many houses is political gold but they should have steered it towards this man is so rich he doesn't know how many houses, cars, boats etc he has.

Anything to stay AWAY from houses.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 08:30:30 PM EST

Dick Lugar (none / 0)

I hope that Obama is not a ``dickhead'' to name a Republican.
Sorry for the pun, but that will clearly mean defeat for him.
by ann0nymous on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 09:18:15 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry, nobody knows (none / 0)

Lugar would be ridiculous...

Isn't the fact that Clinton challenged him during the primary mean that it could be her?

And I'm not saying she necessarily my top choice, but it seems like his chatter about it doesn't exclude Clinton.


by leshrac55 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 09:35:51 PM EST

Colin Powell (none / 0)

I'm just sayin'


"Action comes easy; it's the moments just before that are hard." ~Defiance, Ohio~ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65I0HNvTD H4
by ScienceTeacher118 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 09:35:56 PM EST

Re: Colin Powell (none / 0)

Colin Powell is the only non Clinton candidate I could see.

He does offer something that none of the white candidates can.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:43:13 PM EST
[ Parent ]

It would be an awesome choice (none / 0)

But I don't think America would be ready for that. I f it were to be Powell, it would be Clark.


I attended PUMACon '08!!!
by iohs2008 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:12:22 PM EST
[ Parent ]

Re: Colin Powell (none / 0)

He's a Republican.


by carrieboberry on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 06:08:48 AM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry, nobody knows (2.00 / 1)

There's zero chance that Obama's going to name a Republican, or any other conservative (Dem or Repub). Here's why:

1. He wants our money.

  1. He needs our money.
  2. He won't get our money.
  3. He's announcing via text message to us, and he won't do something for us that would also serve to fire us up in a negative way.

His pick will be someone who is well received, more or less, by his grassroots campaign contributors. A populist of some kind.


by mikeplugh on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 09:37:04 PM EST

Re: No Nunn, no Kerry, nobody knows (2.00 / 1)

As a life long Democrat resident of Indiana, I would rather have Lugar than Bayh.


by DemoDan on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 09:39:55 PM EST

If it's HRC... (none / 0)

she'll have to cancel the speech she is scheduled to give on Sunday in Fresno, CA before a Hispanic group.  She's going to be in New York tomorrow but her schedule is free on Saturday.

I don't see why Obama had to stretch out this entire week for Joe Biden; did Biden need a couple days of rest back from Georgia?  All it did was ram up speculation about HRC, which is risky as hell.


by Blazers Edge on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:10:02 PM EST

Re: If it's HRC... (none / 0)

If its anyone but Hillary its been risky as hell for weeks.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:44:42 PM EST
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If it's anyone but Hillary (none / 0)

the world will explode and we'll all die!!  AMIRITE dtaylor2?


by JJE on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:28:48 PM EST
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Re: If it's HRC... (none / 0)

If it IS Hillary, it's less vital to be reaching out to the swing states, since it's not like Obama would have to define her or their history. People know what they're getting and any extra stuff would be known by the convention.q


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:58:20 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry, nobody knows (none / 0)

I'm not sure Obama intended this through his words about the VP selection, but suddenly CNN is all "Hillary, Hillary, Hillary."

It's been awhile.


by mjc888 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:11:05 PM EST

He made a mistake then if it's not (none / 0)

her; I don't know what he was thinking when he made that comment today about his veep.  While it sounds generic, the person that fits that characterization (someone who is going to challenge me in the White House) the most is HRC.  Some will say that fits Biden as well but c'mon, most people forgot Biden even ran for the presidency.  Seriously, who's the person that comes to your mind first when Obama mentions "someone who is going to challenge me."  Obama had to know the media would take it that way, especially in light of the last two national polls.

Of course, it could be fricking Hagel as well.  I am hoping against hell that it's not.


by Blazers Edge on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:15:49 PM EST
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Re: He made a mistake then if it's not (none / 0)

He needs to soften the blow to the fringe of his support who hate her.


by dtaylor2 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:45:47 PM EST
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Re: No Nunn, no Kerry, nobody knows (none / 0)

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my veep picks of the media choices (one's the media says are on the short list)

1.  Joe Biden.  foriegn policy, fighter, don't have to worry about him looking to 2012.  just make sure he doesn't do any gaffes.

2.  Evan Bayh.  regional similar ages, reinforces generational shift ala bill Clinton (bill-dawg!).  moderate with gov and foriegn policy experience.

3.  kaine.  meh.  i'd take sebilius over him if i wasn't terrified of clinton supporter backlash.

veep choices of possibilities not talked about in media (ya know, the ones most likely to get it :P)

1. daschle.  former majority/minority leader.  faced tough races, no stranger to a national stage.  experience in spades, midwest appeal, could make sd MORE competetive. GO YOTES!

2. Hillary (Hill-cat!  meant to be  positive nickname).  it would heal the party, bring back oh/fl, solidify pen/mich.  more importantly, her attention to details will help both in office and on the campaign trail.  plus she'll be able to go negative for him (as any veep is expected to do).  i think (as does my neighbor) that this could happen.  he's using the rolecall vote as a way to say i got the most delegates, but look how close she was.  we had catharsis, now it's time to join together and defeat the greater evil.  

FU-SION- HA!!

3.  Bill Richardson.  gen thing like bayh, but reinforces change.  gubernatorial, house, foriegn policy experience.  only X-factors, clnton backlash?  backlash by the REALLY nuuty anti-immigration people?  are te stories of him being a womanizer true?  (if so, replace with Reed)


an electoral landslide with everyone except the hanging on, hillary is 44, palin is 45, sweeties.
by Doug Tuttle on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:19:31 PM EST

Obama deserves some credit (none / 0)

In past years, I've seen campaigns drag prospective veeps around in front of the press and the crowds. In 1988, Dukakis was in Ohio and said "wouldn't John Glenn be a great Vice President?" And of course we don't need to get into Jesse Jackson. Obama has not gone out of his way to squash rumors, but this vetting is very well run at least in terms of keeping mum. If we win, Caroline may deserve a place in the Obama Administration.


by RandyMI on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:28:52 PM EST

Chuck Hagel? (none / 0)


by RandyMI on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 10:47:31 PM EST

please no Republicans (none / 0)

That means no Hagel and no Lugar. To blur the ideological party lines is one thing but to actually choose a Republican and make it Republican-lite is to take Daschle-ization to the extreme. Clinton, Biden and Bayh are good choices and the rest are soporific.


by tarheel74 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:05:57 PM EST

Since the press and the Obama camp (none / 0)

has turned this into such a huge media game, building it up daily, hints and silliness, anyone who does not make the masses go WOW...will be a dud  And right now, imo, the only WOW people are Hillary or a rethug.

It's his own doing.......


by Jjc2008 on Thu Aug 21, 2008 at 11:12:37 PM EST

Lugar would be interesting (none / 0)

He's always been my favorite Republican. Something about him puts me at ease. I disagree with him on plenty, but he's a solid guy and qualifies as a moderate in today's GOP.

But no ticket has crossed party lines since 1864 (Lincoln/Johnson). I just don't see it happening, unless Lugar actually switched parties.


by elrod on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 12:45:20 AM EST

I have been out on a limb with Gephardt . . . (none / 0)

but now it looks like Hillary. I've been seeing people posting on various sites with what seems reasonably credible info that the text message will go out tomorrow.

For the record I will stick with Gephardt, but the Hillay scenario makes more sense all the time.


by Davidsfr on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 01:06:55 AM EST

Re: I have been out on a limb with Gephardt . . . (none / 0)

I'll be mightily impressed with her if she accepts the VP spot when she knows it's a bit of a sacrifice. Far greater men than her have not measured up to that example.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 01:28:50 AM EST
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Re: I have been out on a limb with Gephardt . . . (none / 0)

Wait. LOL, "far greater" isn't what I meant. That's an insult. Let me just say "other great".


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 01:29:43 AM EST
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Tom Watson is smoking something (none / 0)

The Watson post saying how it has to be Clinton is pretty silly.  Polls have shown that Obama is not underperforming among the working class, nor is he underperforming among whites.  The Bradley Effect is apparently an artifact of the 1980's, since Obama overperformed the polls in most primaries.  

He and his campaign have made alot of good decisions to get to this point - it's time for us duffers and faux oracles to stand back and let him do his thing.


by CA Pol Junkie on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 01:43:35 AM EST

Re: Tom Watson is smoking something (none / 0)

BULL. Polls show that he has a very real problem with Democrats. That is by no means guaranteed to get better. If you want to say that he doesn't need Hillary to fix this, that's fine. But don't pretend he doesnp't have a lot of work to do.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 02:13:54 AM EST
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Re: Tom Watson is smoking something (none / 0)

Huh?  Obama is maxed out with blacks and latinos.  Therefore, if he wants to go up, he needs to improve with whites.


by mjc888 on Fri Aug 22, 2008 at 07:24:36 AM EST
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