Obama: "It's Like They Take Pride In Being Ignorant"

From Ben Smith @ Politico:



Also in Berea, Obama (defended his remark about inflating tires, a first response to the favorite Republican attack of the moment, which he'd ignored for a few days as the GOP mailed gas gauges to reporters. (One apparently reached my home in Brooklyn today, producing some puzzlement.)

"They're lying about what my energy plan is," he says. And "they're making fun of a step that every expert says would reduce our oil consumption by 3 to 4 percent. It's like these guys take pride in being ignorant."


THIS is possibly one of the most cutting remarks I've seen this cycle. Obama still appears to be the grownup, because compared to McCain's inane "celebrity" meme, this is far more civil and appropriate. It's also much, much more incisive. My only regret is that most of the people Obama will send out to defend this remark aren't as silver-tongued.



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Why would he have to defend that remark? (none / 0)

Serious question.


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by BishopRook on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 04:58:29 PM EST

Re: Why would he have to defend that remark? (none / 0)

Because the MSM will be on tonight asking why Obama would say such outrageous thing.


by RandyMI on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 05:00:30 PM EST
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I'm not sure about that (none / 0)

I mean... the MSM loves "experts."  That's one of the places where Clinton went wrong, when she started talking smack about economists... as Jon Stewart would say, "Experts?  They're merely the people that know the most."

This might work.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 05:04:29 PM EST
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My favorite definition of experts... (none / 0)

"Experts are people that make quiet mistakes."


by bobswern on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 07:18:45 PM EST
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Yep (2.00 / 1)

It will be called...what's some outraged amalgam of "presumptuous" and "arrogant"?

Inappropriate. Yeah, put me down for $5 on "Inappropriate".


by Neef on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 05:05:59 PM EST
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Re: Yep (none / 0)

By the time they get through with this they will manage to claim that Obama was actually insulting Christians or something.  Everyone remembers the "constant sore" smear, right?


"Another problem we have...is that in election years we behave somewhat as primitive peoples do at the time of the full moon." --Harry Truman
by Steve M on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 05:13:08 PM EST
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Oh geez (none / 0)

I forgot that one.

Let's all hope that the "They" in this comment gets reported accurately. All we need is "Proud to be Ignorant" buttons at the GOP convention. Oy.


by Neef on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 05:19:18 PM EST
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Re: Yep (none / 0)

some outraged amalgam of "presumptuous" and "arrogant"

and of course "elitist." (Currently the 5th item in a Google search on this word is a CNN.com reference to Obama.)


Keep it short. DemocraticShortList.com
by Rob in Vermont on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 05:32:24 PM EST
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Re: Yep (2.00 / 3)

It will be called...what's some outraged amalgam of "presumptuous" and "arrogant"?

I believe the word you are looking for is "uppity."


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by BishopRook on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 05:50:45 PM EST
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Re: Why would he have to defend that remark? (2.00 / 1)

Allow me to take a crack at that. It gives him a wonderful shot at letting the air out of their tires with an icepick to the sidewalls.

Many of the would be 'progressives' lack a grasp of Obama's zen nature and his quiet genius at flipping the flailing GOP foolery.

I can't begin to summarize the many hothead calls all over the 'progressive' blog world that expect him to be as ridiculous as McCain and go ballistic when it would obviously be a failed banzai charge.

Obama is making a quiet steady warmth zone loaded with sturdy pragmatic common sense because he actually trusts the array of troubled Americans to want to be there.

Look at the near cliche in the 'progressive' blog commentariat that all Americans (except them) must somehow be irredeemable imbeciles. Try wading through a Crooks and Liars comment pile if you can stand the gross misspellings and dim one liners.

It isn't really even a defense so much as a rising to the occasion of an opportunity. The batshit desperate GOP is busy immolating itself due to an incapacity to admit that the Bush Mess is one of the worst things to ever afflict the nation.

They are twisting themselves into crazy knots trying to 'win' in a situation where they have left broadscale wreckage and anyone with the clue given a vole knows it.

Sure the 1% corporate Looter class will throw all the weight they have to evade taxes, but they just don't have much punch now that they have made a near hell of life for most honest citizens who aren't riding on the looter gravy train.


by chris rich on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:10:53 PM EST
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Re: Why would he have to defend that remark? (none / 0)

Okay.

But why does that mean he will have to defend his "they take pride in being ignorant" remark?  It was off the cuff, funny, and true, I don't see him taking a lot of flak over it even among the chattering class.


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by BishopRook on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 10:24:30 PM EST
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Re: Why would he have to defend that remark? (none / 0)

Ultimately, he doesn't. It's even looking like the real outcome is increasing affirmation of its merits in various media ripples such as Krugman today and a flock of comparable assertions roosting in various corners of the media woods.


by chris rich on Fri Aug 08, 2008 at 06:36:52 PM EST
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Re: Obama: "It's Like They Take Pride (2.00 / 1)

Be a little careful about Politico...
They have an agenda.
In a short period of time they have risen
to a point of alleged credibility.

They are NOT on our side.

You could have done the imbed
without "Ben"


"harlequin speech of suicide, demanding instantaneous lobotomy"
by nogo postal on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 05:03:46 PM EST

Re: Obama: "It's Like They Take Pride (none / 0)

I agree, with caveats. Ben Smith is a bit unfair sometimes, Ken Vogel is REALLY unfair. Carrie Budoff Brown is unfair. But in general, it's a good place to get an overview of news. I don't take anything said there for fact, but they do a better job than a lot of other places and I prefer then to something like The Nation or New Republic. Not the only place I read, but the place I read for counterbalance.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 05:08:59 PM EST
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It's Like They Take Pride In Being Ignorant (2.00 / 3)

Obama's whole schtick in that town hall made me smile. I heard more excerpts on NPR, it was a very sharp set of jabs at the Republicans. Sure, he might get some flak for some of them, but they were good.


by souvarine on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 05:12:53 PM EST

Re: It's Like They Take Pride In Being Ignorant (2.00 / 2)

And unlike McCain and his people, he comes across as funny and charming instead of smarmy and arrogant.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 05:21:25 PM EST
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I think pigs just flew (2.00 / 1)

past Hell's new ski resort.


by Neef on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 05:22:27 PM EST
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Yay, finally (2.00 / 1)

"These guys take pride in being ignorant", is a great line.  Hope he uses it a lot.


by IncognitoErgoSum on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 05:47:11 PM EST

Watch (2.00 / 2)

people who were concerned he wasn't hitting back hard will now complain he hit too hard.


by hocuspocus on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 05:52:00 PM EST

Re: Pride In Being Ignorant (none / 0)

On some days, I feel like I just want this campaign season to be over. On days like this, I wish that it would never end.

I like it when Obama smacks the dumb asses - and I like it even better when they don't get it. I can't wait to tune in Rush Limbaugh tomorrow. He'll be explaining Obama's comments to the dittoheads (whose cranial cavities are explosion proof btw) and they'll be calling in to give his fat drug-addles ass some wet butterfly kisses.

I know it's nasty, but sometimes I just can't help myself. Tomorrow's dose of Rush should be fun.


"But not me personally were those cheers for"
by QTG on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 07:09:00 PM EST

It's Like They Take Pride In Being Ignorant (1.00 / 1)

sweeetttt [smackdown]

john mccain was just asking for that one.


by alyssa chaos on Tue Aug 05, 2008 at 08:55:45 PM EST

When you think about it (none / 0)

Interestingly, one could say that expecting people to change their behavior and start optimizing the air pressure in their tires is also ignorant.  

Assume that a certain percentage of the population is already doing this (which initially takes away from the whole).  Now, of the remainder, a lot don't care, and won't change, and many others don't have easy access to an air pump/compressor.  And, all of this assumes that everyone's tires are not at an optimum pressure.  

So, while we 'could' attain a 3 to 4 percent increase in mileage, I would argue that  when the 'rubber hits the road', this is not a solution that garners much merit.


by TNAmaps on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 12:29:46 PM EST

Re: When you think about it (none / 0)

Actually, most of the fact-checking I've seen done on this subject acknowledges this fact. The point is not to prove that it would produce more energy in the long run than oil drilling, the point is that oil drilling would just BARELY do better than everyone simply keeping their tires inflated. And not only that, it wouldn't do it for years and years, while inflating our tires can be done NOW. Pushing for a tuneup (perhaps asking for people to do so with stimulus money) can also be accomplished now.

If all Obama said was needed was conservation, he would be in the wrong. But it isn't, and he's introduced an aggressive strategy that would actually produce benefits. A tax refund of several thousand for buyers of hybrid cars and stimulus for automakers to build hybrids here could mean a LOT less gas being used.

Compare that to John Mccain, who wants to throw 300 million at a solution that already exists in other countries.


"Hey, check it out. You just had yourself a glue OD. So you're learning another lesson. Don't do too much glue, or your night sucks."
by vcalzone on Wed Aug 06, 2008 at 03:54:07 PM EST
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