make no mistake when a Clinton supporter, more importantly a PUMA talks about roll call

for some reason they believe deep down, you get a vote at the convention and enough will switch to make Hillary the nominee.

will this happen ofcourse not, but hey has PUMA ever been rational?

You're right that some think Clinton could win a roll call.

But why do they keep claiming that there won't be a roll call when there will be? That just seems so bizarre to me?

Here's the link: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/080 8/12386_Page2.html

And here's the quote:

Texas delegate Linda Figueroa, a 53-year-old paralegal from Corpus Christi, said the pledged Clinton supporters were told in a delegate conference call this week that they would not get to vote for her. She said the senator's scheduled speech on the floor of the Pepsi Center Tuesday evening Aug. 26 was "not enough."
"We (the Clinton delegates) are really having our ups and downs," Figueroa said. "She deserves more than what she's going to get."

Other Clinton delegates said privately that they were afraid to speak out against the Democratic National Committee or Obama, for fear of getting their credentials yanked at the convention.

PM -

Not going to completely to dispute your read of the situation, only partially.

1) Yes there will be a roll call. There has to be those are the rules. No ifs ands or buts.

2) Now here's where it gets tricky. For Hillary to be included in this roll call she must submit, in writing, that she wants/ willing to have her name to put into nomination. This she has not done yet and is something the two camps are working out.

Obama yesterday acknowledged that a roll-call vote, with Clinton's name placed in nomination next to his, is still in play for the convention. The vote is to be Wednesday, the day before Obama is to deliver his acceptance speech at Invesco Field.

"As is true in all conventions, we're still working out the mechanics, the coordination," Obama said yesterday. Asked if he's amenable to a roll call, he said, "I didn't say that."

In a Web chat yesterday, Clinton evaded a question from a supporter about whether her name should be placed in nomination. "I know that there have been a lot of questions on this subject," Clinton said. But her answer was, in effect, that she and Obama are working on it.

"I want to assure everyone we are working together with Senator Obama's campaign and the DNC," she wrote, "and I am confident we will have a successful and unified convention in Denver."

The biggest point. It is not the DNC, Dean or anybody else blocking her name being put into nomination. It's strictly up to her and the Obama campaign how they want to play this out.

Not trying to stir the pot here. We have had enough of that over the past 24hrs. Just want to get the facts out there.

Yes, I believe they are conflating it with the concept of Hillary's name being placed in nomination.  They are looking for a real roll call vote where Obama's delegates vote for him on the first ballot and Clinton's delegates vote for her, not a sham where everyone votes for Obama but "in theory" they're all free to vote for Bozo the Clown if they like.

Depending on how rational you are, the point of having such a roll call vote is either (i) recognizing the level of support Hillary got in these primaries as a way of paying tribute to her and her supporters, helping those supporters to move on, or (ii) hoping that Hillary might magically win the vote.

I think too many people take the view that, because there are some small number of deluded PUMAs in the second category, we must therefore crush their dreams right now by mandating that Hillary's name will not be in nomination.  I don't think these people should be relevant to our thinking, and I'm pretty sure they are not the driving force behind the Obama campaign's decisions in this regard.

I think the distinction you're pointing to in this diary is little more than a technicality.  Let's face it, if every delegation around the room is casting all of its votes for Sen. Obama, and one lonely delegate gets up and insists on voting for Hillary, it would be seen as an act of protest, something destructive of unity.  That delegate would be harshly criticized for stepping out of line.  So the technicality that even if everyone in the room votes for Obama, they were legally free to vote for whoever so it's still a roll call vote, isn't really compelling to these people and I tend to see their point.

THERE WILL BE A ROLL CALL VOTE.

Get it through your deluded skulls kitties.

Ok here's a decent resource:

http://www.demconvention.com/ask-phil/

These idiots are trying to reconcile their belief that Clinton won with reality.  Since she didn't actually win, she must have been robbed, and they're trying to imagine how.